No Time to Die (Bond 25)

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    I thought Craig started to look his age in Spectre. They need to up the HGH dosage.
     
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    Okay, the trailer was pretty darn good. My interest level still hasn't risen too high, but I do have AMC Stubs, so it's gone from a no to a maybe.

    Man, how BAD did the last movie have to be to have erased the excitement Skyfall brought me in this franchise?
     
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    This looks really, really good.
     
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    that's a sick trailer. hope Craig goes out on a high because Moore (A View To A Kill) and Brosnan (Die Another Day) went out with massive stinkbombs.
     
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    Not bad.
     
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    Sean Connery as well. Many fans hated Never Say Never. Critics liked it slightly better but I know so many die hards that hated that movie. I always liked it.
     
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    Well, technically, it is not considered part of the canon of the Bond film franchise. No Time To Die is being promoted as the 25th Bond film because Casino Royale (1967) and Never Say Never Again (1983) are not included in the count.

    Connery's last official Bond film was Diamonds Are Forever.
     
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    Meh...it's only considered not part of canon because of legal wrangling. It's still a Bond film. It's his last turn as that character. I liken it to when another studio does the same movie (i.e. Spiderman) but it doesn't have creative control (i.e. Marvel). Except it was EON not having creative control this time. Whatever, it's still James Bond. The original Casino Royale was a parody so I don't put them in the same category at all.
     
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    And Never Say Never Again is a just a remake of Thunderball. :shrug:
     
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    So? How does that make it not a Bond film or not Connery playing Bond? It was an attempt to actually tell a real Ian Flemming story. The original Casino Royale was just making fun of it and was a parody. Not remotely the same thing.
     
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    They're both unofficial Bond films and not included with the rest. All in all it makes perfect sense that these two are left out of the continuity. You have 25 official films on one hand (all made by EON). Then, in the other, you have one parody and one remake (neither made by EON). It's not rocket science.

    One is a satire made by someone who bought the rights directly from Ian Fleming himself. Don't want it made - don't sell the rights. Same as Marvel selling off the rights to their characters and then struggling to bring their universe together once superhero films took off. In the end, they bought the rights from Fleming and could make it whatever they wanted, but also EON has the right to say it doesn't belong.

    The other is a remake made by a producer (who, along with a scriptwriter) were left uncredited by Ian Fleming when he took an abandoned script they had all worked on and turned it into the novel Thunderball. The producer sued Fleming, battled in courts for many years, and eventually the producer won the ability to create "his" movie, which ultimately is a Thunderball remake because it was the same source material they had all collaborated on years earlier. It's Bond without many of the elements or actors from the Bond universe (from the EON films). Certain things had to be changed for legal reasons - no gun barrel sequence, no Bond theme music, different actors in prominent supporting roles, etc.

    Another thing these two films are responsible for is the inability of EON to make a serious version of Casino Royale for many years or to reintroduce Spectre and Blofield - until they acquired the rights in legal battles and/or settlements with trustees and heirs.
     
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    Who cares if they were made by EON? That's not what makes something a Bond film or not. It's the characters and story. You are right. Not rocket science at all. You think I care in my Bond collection that EON made the film or not? I don't. Just like I don't care who made the Hulk or that Sony made the Tobey McGuire Spiderman movies. They are part of my collection of films with those characters. Never Say Never will always be in my Bond collection.

    Honestly, don't know why you are so stuck on who made the films and want to pretend like it doesn't exist. These things happen. Fights over rights and things are nothing new. Marvel has been dealing with it the past several years with Universal, Sony and Fox. Just because a bunch of people couldn't get their crap together and work things out which caused a legal issue somehow means the films never existed? That SC never played the part or did the movie? Yeah it would have been cool if that stuff never happened but it did.

    OK, so it's not canon. We don't disagree. Doesn't change the fact he played James Bond in one last James Bond film. I have read many interviews and recall one where he talks about coming back to play the part one last time. He considers it his last Bond film. Roger Moore and SC were actually friends and discussed how the studios were going to pit their movies against each other since they were playing the same part. They wanted no part in the petty squabbles and agreed they were both playing the character in their respective films. They even had a joint epic party from what I remember reading.
     
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