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daves said:
On The Athletic Football Show podcast from from 15 Jan, before Harbaugh and McDermott were fired, Robert Mays had Conor Orr from SI and MMQB on to discuss the latest updates on the NFL Coaching Carousel. I transcribed and lightly edited the segment on the Cardinals. There are some pretty ugly insights on the attractiveness of the job, and some thoughts on how a few of the candidates would fit.


Mays: Who feels like the best option for the Cardinals' head coaching job right now?

Orr: This is the one that everyone looks at and they're like, "Oooh boy" - outside Cleveland. The reason is, you made this move, and you were on the fence about it, probably, and you made this move thinking, "Okay, there's only like four or five other openings, we're gonna get a great guy, and we're gonna get one of the five best candidates." And then, all hell breaks loose and you're probably eighth on the power rankings right now of jobs that teams [sic] would want. I don't think that's controversial to say.

Mays: I think between them and the Browns it's probably a toss-up.

Orr: Right? It's a coin flip. And I've heard legitimate arguments on both sides as to why the two of them are the worst jobs in this cycle.

Mays: For people who are not tapped into this... nobody thinks about the Cardinals. The Cardinals are an afterthought for most, even diehard NFL fans from a perception standpoint. I think Michael Bidwill has the worst Q score of almost any owner that people don't think about. We know the owners who are considered bad owners. I think that, in the league, there's a pretty negative perception of him as an owner.

Orr: If you were taking that job, could you interview with that guy, and then watch the video of him hugging Jonathan Gannon like he was his son, and then firing him like six hours later and not just be entirely suspicious about every interaction that you've ever had with him?

Mays: I know multiple people who have turned down opportunities to interview with them, and turned down the jobs. I think that this one has a stink on it that people don't really think about. The Browns are a fun punchline. This one definitely has a toxicity around it that I don't think a lot of people totally appreciate.

Orr: If I were them, I would go hard after the Rams' coordinators, and specifically look at Mike LaFleur, who might not be necessarily as high on some other teams' lists.

Mays: Why do you think that is? Is it just a personality thing?

Orr: I think it's an age thing. I know I'm talking out both sides of my mouth where I'm like, "Davis Webb is exciting" and "Nate Scheelhaase is exciting", and maybe Mike, who I think is 38, 39, I think it could be that. It could be the fact that maybe he just got stuck in that world for some reason where you start to get passed over already or whatever it is, but I think Mike's a really good coach.

If you go back to that Jets offense with Zach Wilson and everybody seeing that that kid couldn't operate anything, the fact that they won as many games as they did and he was the scapegoat was pretty phenomenal. I think that he's a legitimate candidate though and under any other circumstances, he's probably already gotten a job. So if your the Cardinals maybe you look at that and you say, "Okay, he knows the division obviously really well." And maybe he's a little less concerned about spending six games a year against Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, and Mike McDonald, which sucks. I think both of those Rams coordinators, and it depends on how bad they want to go - that's a great nest to be in, it's the *best* nest to be in. So if you don't want to go, you stay. But I think those guys make some sense.

I think Vance Joseph is interesting there....

Mays: That was the one I kept coming back to.

Orr: Yeah, so Vance was essentially - and this isn't a knock on Kliff Kingsbury - but was essentially the head coach of this team already, because when Kliff came out of college it was just like, "Hey we have to do a lot of things different. And so I'll kind of help you." And Jeff Rogers was there too, and he was big in that process too. It's like, "I'll kind of help you along and I can get these guys, you can get those guys, whatever it is."

And Vance, I looked this up, is pretty wild. And if this isn't something that the Cardinals have looked up, shame on them. Out of his last twelve games that Vance was the DC in the Cardinals' building against Kyle Shanahand and Sean McVay, eight of them he held them to 20 points or less. That's wild. And if you ask people on McVey's staff, "Who was the worst person to play?", pretty consistently it was Vance. He's like, "The guys don't do dumb stuff. They don't give us a chance to get into our bag because they're so sound."

And Vance goes to Denver and just kicks ass. I think Vance is a good candidate. I think he had an awful run in Denver because the situation was bad. It was Brock Osweiler and Trevor Simien and Case Keenum and John Elway and Paxton Lynch. That's a bad situation for any coach, and I think that maybe he's the right emotional temperature for this place after Jonathan Gannon.

And the only other name I would say there is Hafley. If Hafley gets boxed out everywhere else and he feels like he's gotta go, then maybe you take that job, too.

Mays: Yeah, Vance Joseph is the one I kept coming back to there. First glance, first thought, that was the marriage I had in mind, so I'm glad to hear you think that that is potentially on their radar.
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I've resigned myself to accept VJ is our next coach.

Good for him. Go Coach!!
 
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daves said:
On The Athletic Football Show podcast from from 15 Jan, before Harbaugh and McDermott were fired, Robert Mays had Conor Orr from SI and MMQB on to discuss the latest updates on the NFL Coaching Carousel. I transcribed and lightly edited the segment on the Cardinals. There are some pretty ugly insights on the attractiveness of the job, and some thoughts on how a few of the candidates would fit.


Mays: Who feels like the best option for the Cardinals' head coaching job right now?

Orr: This is the one that everyone looks at and they're like, "Oooh boy" - outside Cleveland. The reason is, you made this move, and you were on the fence about it, probably, and you made this move thinking, "Okay, there's only like four or five other openings, we're gonna get a great guy, and we're gonna get one of the five best candidates." And then, all hell breaks loose and you're probably eighth on the power rankings right now of jobs that teams [sic] would want. I don't think that's controversial to say.

Mays: I think between them and the Browns it's probably a toss-up.

Orr: Right? It's a coin flip. And I've heard legitimate arguments on both sides as to why the two of them are the worst jobs in this cycle.

Mays: For people who are not tapped into this... nobody thinks about the Cardinals. The Cardinals are an afterthought for most, even diehard NFL fans from a perception standpoint. I think Michael Bidwill has the worst Q score of almost any owner that people don't think about. We know the owners who are considered bad owners. I think that, in the league, there's a pretty negative perception of him as an owner.

Orr: If you were taking that job, could you interview with that guy, and then watch the video of him hugging Jonathan Gannon like he was his son, and then firing him like six hours later and not just be entirely suspicious about every interaction that you've ever had with him?

Mays: I know multiple people who have turned down opportunities to interview with them, and turned down the jobs. I think that this one has a stink on it that people don't really think about. The Browns are a fun punchline. This one definitely has a toxicity around it that I don't think a lot of people totally appreciate.

Orr: If I were them, I would go hard after the Rams' coordinators, and specifically look at Mike LaFleur, who might not be necessarily as high on some other teams' lists.

Mays: Why do you think that is? Is it just a personality thing?

Orr: I think it's an age thing. I know I'm talking out both sides of my mouth where I'm like, "Davis Webb is exciting" and "Nate Scheelhaase is exciting", and maybe Mike, who I think is 38, 39, I think it could be that. It could be the fact that maybe he just got stuck in that world for some reason where you start to get passed over already or whatever it is, but I think Mike's a really good coach.

If you go back to that Jets offense with Zach Wilson and everybody seeing that that kid couldn't operate anything, the fact that they won as many games as they did and he was the scapegoat was pretty phenomenal. I think that he's a legitimate candidate though and under any other circumstances, he's probably already gotten a job. So if your the Cardinals maybe you look at that and you say, "Okay, he knows the division obviously really well." And maybe he's a little less concerned about spending six games a year against Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, and Mike McDonald, which sucks. I think both of those Rams coordinators, and it depends on how bad they want to go - that's a great nest to be in, it's the *best* nest to be in. So if you don't want to go, you stay. But I think those guys make some sense.

I think Vance Joseph is interesting there....

Mays: That was the one I kept coming back to.

Orr: Yeah, so Vance was essentially - and this isn't a knock on Kliff Kingsbury - but was essentially the head coach of this team already, because when Kliff came out of college it was just like, "Hey we have to do a lot of things different. And so I'll kind of help you." And Jeff Rogers was there too, and he was big in that process too. It's like, "I'll kind of help you along and I can get these guys, you can get those guys, whatever it is."

And Vance, I looked this up, is pretty wild. And if this isn't something that the Cardinals have looked up, shame on them. Out of his last twelve games that Vance was the DC in the Cardinals' building against Kyle Shanahand and Sean McVay, eight of them he held them to 20 points or less. That's wild. And if you ask people on McVey's staff, "Who was the worst person to play?", pretty consistently it was Vance. He's like, "The guys don't do dumb stuff. They don't give us a chance to get into our bag because they're so sound."

And Vance goes to Denver and just kicks ass. I think Vance is a good candidate. I think he had an awful run in Denver because the situation was bad. It was Brock Osweiler and Trevor Simien and Case Keenum and John Elway and Paxton Lynch. That's a bad situation for any coach, and I think that maybe he's the right emotional temperature for this place after Jonathan Gannon.

And the only other name I would say there is Hafley. If Hafley gets boxed out everywhere else and he feels like he's gotta go, then maybe you take that job, too.

Mays: Yeah, Vance Joseph is the one I kept coming back to there. First glance, first thought, that was the marriage I had in mind, so I'm glad to hear you think that that is potentially on their radar.
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Daves, thanks for posting this

Reality really shows through in this reading

We all have high hopes for this sad organization to turn a corner and set up a winning culture

After all we are the Cardinals and we know the rest

Alas....
 
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Gandhi said:
Robert Saleh

He is my favorite. I am not sure exactly why, but I have always thought of him as an impressive leader. Even when he was with the Jets, I thought he did a good job. Actually, his best selling point might be what has happened to the Jets after he left.
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Mike LaFleur

I think that LaFleur gets too little love. He has become my second favorite after Saleh. He was brought into the NFL by Kyle Shanahan, and he followed Shanahan to Atlanta where he was part of the Falcons’ staff that went to the Super Bowl. Then Shanahan took him with him to San Francisco, and later he was handpicked by Sean McVay. Yes, there were the bad years with the Jets, but not only did he have to play four quarterbacks in his time there, he also had a winning record with Zach Wilson. I think his resume is quite impressive.
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On to option B. Well, actually McDermott immediately became the #1 preference, so let’s call LaFleur option C.
 
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What a let down- but can’t blame saleh for wanting to escape this division and given our QB situation.

We need to be picking up the phone for McDermott right now. Also why have we not interviewed McDaniel? I’d put my nickel down that McDaniel is going to take an OC job, light it up and become the next hot coaching commodity in 2027
 
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