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McDaniel ain’t coming here as an OC. He’ll hook up with a high level QB to boost his stock for next cycle.
Next head coach?
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If he brings Joey Brady with him, I would be stoked!
This will be the answer to was it coaching, GM or both? The Lions have a great OL, Running game and a top 5 WR. Goff ain't bad either.I can't believe that the Lions want to hire Petzing as their offensive coordinator.
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Wouldn’t be surprised to see Buffalo hire Danboll for HC and keep Brady around since both seemingly have good relationships with Josh Allen.
Reid wanted to move on from Bienemy, but now wants to hire him again? I sense a flaw in that theory.
Good HCs always want to see their assistants get promoted, even if they don't want to lose them.
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I never said they wanted to move on in a bad way. I think Andy Reid understands that sometimes his assistants have a harder time getting head coaching jobs, because there's a perception that the assistants don't do very much underneath him.
This is a false narrative.
The Cardinals fired Kingsbury, but interviewed Joseph for HC in 2022. They only moved on from Joseph after hiring Gannon. Then Joseph proved his chops as a DC with Denver.
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Sorry. My bad.
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Must want to improve draft position next year.I can't believe that the Lions want to hire Petzing as their offensive coordinator.
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The comments on that x post are hilarious. Cardinals fans and Titans fans have a lot in common.
Damn, you’re not kidding. Freaking hilarious comments from the Titans faithful! If they lack a “Rise Up Dark Side” thread they totally should have one.
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Yeah…he isn’t coming to AZ
On The Athletic Football Show podcast from from 15 Jan, before Harbaugh and McDermott were fired, Robert Mays had Conor Orr from SI and MMQB on to discuss the latest updates on the NFL Coaching Carousel. I transcribed and lightly edited the segment on the Cardinals. There are some pretty ugly insights on the attractiveness of the job, and some thoughts on how a few of the candidates would fit.
Mays: Who feels like the best option for the Cardinals' head coaching job right now?
Orr: This is the one that everyone looks at and they're like, "Oooh boy" - outside Cleveland. The reason is, you made this move, and you were on the fence about it, probably, and you made this move thinking, "Okay, there's only like four or five other openings, we're gonna get a great guy, and we're gonna get one of the five best candidates." And then, all hell breaks loose and you're probably eighth on the power rankings right now of jobs that teams [sic] would want. I don't think that's controversial to say.
Mays: I think between them and the Browns it's probably a toss-up.
Orr: Right? It's a coin flip. And I've heard legitimate arguments on both sides as to why the two of them are the worst jobs in this cycle.
Mays: For people who are not tapped into this... nobody thinks about the Cardinals. The Cardinals are an afterthought for most, even diehard NFL fans from a perception standpoint. I think Michael Bidwill has the worst Q score of almost any owner that people don't think about. We know the owners who are considered bad owners. I think that, in the league, there's a pretty negative perception of him as an owner.
Orr: If you were taking that job, could you interview with that guy, and then watch the video of him hugging Jonathan Gannon like he was his son, and then firing him like six hours later and not just be entirely suspicious about every interaction that you've ever had with him?
Mays: I know multiple people who have turned down opportunities to interview with them, and turned down the jobs. I think that this one has a stink on it that people don't really think about. The Browns are a fun punchline. This one definitely has a toxicity around it that I don't think a lot of people totally appreciate.
Orr: If I were them, I would go hard after the Rams' coordinators, and specifically look at Mike LaFleur, who might not be necessarily as high on some other teams' lists.
Mays: Why do you think that is? Is it just a personality thing?
Orr: I think it's an age thing. I know I'm talking out both sides of my mouth where I'm like, "Davis Webb is exciting" and "Nate Scheelhaase is exciting", and maybe Mike, who I think is 38, 39, I think it could be that. It could be the fact that maybe he just got stuck in that world for some reason where you start to get passed over already or whatever it is, but I think Mike's a really good coach.
If you go back to that Jets offense with Zach Wilson and everybody seeing that that kid couldn't operate anything, the fact that they won as many games as they did and he was the scapegoat was pretty phenomenal. I think that he's a legitimate candidate though and under any other circumstances, he's probably already gotten a job. So if your the Cardinals maybe you look at that and you say, "Okay, he knows the division obviously really well." And maybe he's a little less concerned about spending six games a year against Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, and Mike McDonald, which sucks. I think both of those Rams coordinators, and it depends on how bad they want to go - that's a great nest to be in, it's the *best* nest to be in. So if you don't want to go, you stay. But I think those guys make some sense.
I think Vance Joseph is interesting there....
Mays: That was the one I kept coming back to.
Orr: Yeah, so Vance was essentially - and this isn't a knock on Kliff Kingsbury - but was essentially the head coach of this team already, because when Kliff came out of college it was just like, "Hey we have to do a lot of things different. And so I'll kind of help you." And Jeff Rogers was there too, and he was big in that process too. It's like, "I'll kind of help you along and I can get these guys, you can get those guys, whatever it is."
And Vance, I looked this up, is pretty wild. And if this isn't something that the Cardinals have looked up, shame on them. Out of his last twelve games that Vance was the DC in the Cardinals' building against Kyle Shanahand and Sean McVay, eight of them he held them to 20 points or less. That's wild. And if you ask people on McVey's staff, "Who was the worst person to play?", pretty consistently it was Vance. He's like, "The guys don't do dumb stuff. They don't give us a chance to get into our bag because they're so sound."
And Vance goes to Denver and just kicks ass. I think Vance is a good candidate. I think he had an awful run in Denver because the situation was bad. It was Brock Osweiler and Trevor Simien and Case Keenum and John Elway and Paxton Lynch. That's a bad situation for any coach, and I think that maybe he's the right emotional temperature for this place after Jonathan Gannon.
And the only other name I would say there is Hafley. If Hafley gets boxed out everywhere else and he feels like he's gotta go, then maybe you take that job, too.
Mays: Yeah, Vance Joseph is the one I kept coming back to there. First glance, first thought, that was the marriage I had in mind, so I'm glad to hear you think that that is potentially on their radar.
Mays: Who feels like the best option for the Cardinals' head coaching job right now?
Orr: This is the one that everyone looks at and they're like, "Oooh boy" - outside Cleveland. The reason is, you made this move, and you were on the fence about it, probably, and you made this move thinking, "Okay, there's only like four or five other openings, we're gonna get a great guy, and we're gonna get one of the five best candidates." And then, all hell breaks loose and you're probably eighth on the power rankings right now of jobs that teams [sic] would want. I don't think that's controversial to say.
Mays: I think between them and the Browns it's probably a toss-up.
Orr: Right? It's a coin flip. And I've heard legitimate arguments on both sides as to why the two of them are the worst jobs in this cycle.
Mays: For people who are not tapped into this... nobody thinks about the Cardinals. The Cardinals are an afterthought for most, even diehard NFL fans from a perception standpoint. I think Michael Bidwill has the worst Q score of almost any owner that people don't think about. We know the owners who are considered bad owners. I think that, in the league, there's a pretty negative perception of him as an owner.
Orr: If you were taking that job, could you interview with that guy, and then watch the video of him hugging Jonathan Gannon like he was his son, and then firing him like six hours later and not just be entirely suspicious about every interaction that you've ever had with him?
Mays: I know multiple people who have turned down opportunities to interview with them, and turned down the jobs. I think that this one has a stink on it that people don't really think about. The Browns are a fun punchline. This one definitely has a toxicity around it that I don't think a lot of people totally appreciate.
Orr: If I were them, I would go hard after the Rams' coordinators, and specifically look at Mike LaFleur, who might not be necessarily as high on some other teams' lists.
Mays: Why do you think that is? Is it just a personality thing?
Orr: I think it's an age thing. I know I'm talking out both sides of my mouth where I'm like, "Davis Webb is exciting" and "Nate Scheelhaase is exciting", and maybe Mike, who I think is 38, 39, I think it could be that. It could be the fact that maybe he just got stuck in that world for some reason where you start to get passed over already or whatever it is, but I think Mike's a really good coach.
If you go back to that Jets offense with Zach Wilson and everybody seeing that that kid couldn't operate anything, the fact that they won as many games as they did and he was the scapegoat was pretty phenomenal. I think that he's a legitimate candidate though and under any other circumstances, he's probably already gotten a job. So if your the Cardinals maybe you look at that and you say, "Okay, he knows the division obviously really well." And maybe he's a little less concerned about spending six games a year against Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, and Mike McDonald, which sucks. I think both of those Rams coordinators, and it depends on how bad they want to go - that's a great nest to be in, it's the *best* nest to be in. So if you don't want to go, you stay. But I think those guys make some sense.
I think Vance Joseph is interesting there....
Mays: That was the one I kept coming back to.
Orr: Yeah, so Vance was essentially - and this isn't a knock on Kliff Kingsbury - but was essentially the head coach of this team already, because when Kliff came out of college it was just like, "Hey we have to do a lot of things different. And so I'll kind of help you." And Jeff Rogers was there too, and he was big in that process too. It's like, "I'll kind of help you along and I can get these guys, you can get those guys, whatever it is."
And Vance, I looked this up, is pretty wild. And if this isn't something that the Cardinals have looked up, shame on them. Out of his last twelve games that Vance was the DC in the Cardinals' building against Kyle Shanahand and Sean McVay, eight of them he held them to 20 points or less. That's wild. And if you ask people on McVey's staff, "Who was the worst person to play?", pretty consistently it was Vance. He's like, "The guys don't do dumb stuff. They don't give us a chance to get into our bag because they're so sound."
And Vance goes to Denver and just kicks ass. I think Vance is a good candidate. I think he had an awful run in Denver because the situation was bad. It was Brock Osweiler and Trevor Simien and Case Keenum and John Elway and Paxton Lynch. That's a bad situation for any coach, and I think that maybe he's the right emotional temperature for this place after Jonathan Gannon.
And the only other name I would say there is Hafley. If Hafley gets boxed out everywhere else and he feels like he's gotta go, then maybe you take that job, too.
Mays: Yeah, Vance Joseph is the one I kept coming back to there. First glance, first thought, that was the marriage I had in mind, so I'm glad to hear you think that that is potentially on their radar.
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So did he leave the building without getting offered the head coaching job?
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The Suns have done pretty well hiring an assistant as head coach and an inexperienced NBA general manager.
Well, maybe for vacation sometime….
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No idea.
