Mr. Joshua McCown

[Crimson Warrior]

Wow he looked bad.

However, He had time to throw just like Blake did.

I almost don't want to condem him because of the possibility that it could be our WRs, or our poor play calling. There is just so much wrong with this team. Do we really want to write this guy off?

Yeah, I think so.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

I never have liked the guy, and dont think he is the answer to anything. If Blake cany get it done, Josh sure as hell isnt going to. The team is in bad shape, this is horrible!!!

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Originally posted by DieHardCardFan
I never have liked the guy, and dont think he is the answer to anything. If Blake cany get it done, Josh sure as hell isnt going to. The team is in bad shape, this is horrible!!!

I bet Damian Anderson wants to keep him. DA would end up in the hall of fame if McCown was the QB!

 

[jmt]

Blake sucks - what is McCown supposed to do down 41-7 with Chryst and Sullivan calling the plays and no wide receivers (minus Q). Give him a break. i hope he starts the rest of the season.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Originally posted by jmt
Blake sucks - what is McCown supposed to do down 41-7 with Chryst and Sullivan calling the plays and no wide receivers (minus Q). Give him a break. i hope he starts the rest of the season.

Yeah, I could see that jmt. But, man, every time they put him in, he throws two interceptions.

I agree though. Start McCown for the rest of the year, and give him a chance to earn the starting position next year. Otherwise, get the next "QB of the future in here".

Unless you think that McCown is doing his job (i.e. playing his role) and should be paid a million plus to be the back up QB.

 

[phinius]

Originally posted by Crimson Warrior
Yeah, I could see that jmt. But, man, every time they put him in, he throws two interceptions.

I agree though. Start McCown for the rest of the year, and give him a chance to earn the starting position next year. Otherwise, get the next "QB of the future in here".

Unless you think that McCown is doing his job (i.e. playing his role) and should be paid a million plus to be the back up QB.

Start McCown a couple of times and if he doesn't produce give Parsons a chance.

Although there is a lot more wrong with this team than the quarterback.

Phiniius, the old timer

 

[Rats]

Originally posted by phinius
Start McCown a couple of times and if he doesn't produce give Parsons a chance.

Although there is a lot more wrong with this team than the quarterback.

Phiniius, the old timer

I agree...I already think that McCown looks way better than Dave Brown as a backup and Parsons needs a game to see if he can read Defenses. Were done this year and we need to know if they can play at least at a backup level.

 

[pinnacle]

well..the raiders won..so we now trail the chargers (our schedule will be weaker than the raiders) for the "draft a qb" spot...since we will probably have a top 5 pick....and there will be at least 1 big time qb available...we need to find out of josh mccown or preston parsons are any good... they both played at small colleges and have really no regular season NFL experience - so before we cut one or both and spend a top 5 pick on a qb - we need to find out if they are any good...play one or both of them.

Mccown clearly has the athletic ability..and parsons seems to have potential - but I do not know if they have a clue how to play qb...only one way to find out. But..if mac thinks he has to win a few games to keep his job - we will never know....he will stick with blake.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by pinnacle
well..the raiders won..so we now trail the chargers (our schedule will be weaker than the raiders) for the "draft a qb" spot...since we will probably have a top 5 pick....and there will be at least 1 big time qb available...we need to find out of josh mccown or preston parsons are any good... they both played at small colleges and have really no regular season NFL experience - so before we cut one or both and spend a top 5 pick on a qb - we need to find out if they are any good...play one or both of them.

Mccown clearly has the athletic ability..and parsons seems to have potential - but I do not know if they have a clue how to play qb...only one way to find out. But..if mac thinks he has to win a few games to keep his job - we will never know....he will stick with blake.

One of these guys should've played in Europe this past season of the year before. Personally, I don't think McCown has to "prove" anything, at least not to me. I think he's not good and never will be.

Draft Manning. Sigh.

 

[AntSports Steve]

Well, with 7 losses the playoffs are out.

But if they start anybody but Blake, the rest of the team will quit.

So, what I want to see is bring McN or Parson in every once in a while to see what they can do. That's how PHI trained up McNabb and some thought it very strange, but it worked. This way, the young QB goes in and it's not always a blowout, rush the QB and sit back in zone.

Looking at McN before this game, I though his biggest problem was happy feet and working under pressure. Now I think he has lots of problems so I vote to start looking at QBs of the future.

 

[SECTION 11]

McCown sucks. He sucked in college, he sucked when we drafted him, and he sucks now. Parsons showed more in one quarter in Minnesota than McCown's shown since he's been here. That being said, THANK GOD we got to see him play, because this team needs a quarterback. Draft Manning. Quit screwing around with the most important position on the field and give the rest of this team a chance to succeed in the future.

 

[Rats]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
McCown sucks. He sucked in college, he sucked when we drafted him, and he sucks now. Parsons showed more in one quarter in Minnesota than McCown's shown since he's been here. That being said, THANK GOD we got to see him play, because this team needs a quarterback. Draft Manning. Quit screwing around with the most important position on the field and give the rest of this team a chance to succeed in the future.

I disagree...McCown needs game time for us to be able to judge his talent properly. Neither he or Parsons have had that. On the first pick by the LB had McCown...started out looking right and looked off the LB that INT never happens. You get these skills from playing time. IF after several games he isn't picking up the nuances then you have to look else where...but to judge after what we have seen is ridiculas. He should play the last 6 games we should be able to see if he can be a player in this league and we have nothing left to lose this season.

 

[pinnacle]

now that I think about it..maybe the cards brass are not sold much on mccown either....it was Rich Olsen who basically said draft him...the only reason I can see to think the brass must think they might be OK is the fact that we have not brought in a back up for 2 seasons in a row...so my theory is that they must see something they like....but maybe not. At this stage - I hope Mgmt thinks they both suck so we do something about it.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
McCown sucks. He sucked in college, he sucked when we drafted him, and he sucks now. Parsons showed more in one quarter in Minnesota than McCown's shown since he's been here. That being said, THANK GOD we got to see him play, because this team needs a quarterback. Draft Manning. Quit screwing around with the most important position on the field and give the rest of this team a chance to succeed in the future.

I would give McCown about a 10% chance of earning the starting QB role. That being said, I think we throw him in there and let it be decided either way, once and for all.

As for Parsons, I've only seen him play in very limited amounts. It seems even more unlikely that Parsons could make it. But, once Josh has shot his wad, (after say, three consecutive, horrific performances), then we may as well let Preston have a go.

Blake should be retained as the second string guy for 2004. If Parsons is good enough, maybe he could be the #2 guy in 2005.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

McCown will never get us a winning team. That's the bottom line. He needs a lot more time as a back up.

 

[conraddobler]

McCown's gone.... a third round Mac love fest toilet flush.

The guy has some raw talent but unless we hire a certified QB guru he won't be able to undo the damage this coaching staff has inflicted...

No one has that much time for this reclamation project he's cut when the new guy walks through the door the first time.

 

[Duckjake]

But if they start anybody but Blake, the rest of the team will quit.

How would you be able to tell the difference? They'd lose 88-3??

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by Crimson Warrior

As for Parsons, I've only seen him play in very limited amounts. It seems even more unlikely that Parsons could make it. But, once Josh has shot his wad, (after say, three consecutive, horrific performances), then we may as well let Preston have a go.

Any game action I have seen the two in I would have to say that Parsons is leaps and bounds ahead of McCown as a QB!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Shane H
Any game action I have seen the two in I would have to say that Parsons is leaps and bounds ahead of McCown as a QB!

Wow, you say this after seeing him play third and fourth stringers?

 

[green machine]

Originally posted by pinnacle
now that I think about it..maybe the cards brass are not sold much on mccown either....it was Rich Olsen who basically said draft him...the only reason I can see to think the brass must think they might be OK is the fact that we have not brought in a back up for 2 seasons in a row...so my theory is that they must see something they like....but maybe not. At this stage - I hope Mgmt thinks they both suck so we do something about it.

On my radio show a few weeks back we had Mike Jurecki on with us. I asked him about McCown, thinking that Mac must love the guy or something. The answer I got was that McCown was Fergy's and Olsen's guy, not Macs.

adam

 

[AZCB34]

I have always been a strong pro-McCown guy...not because I know he is NFL material but because I want him to get a shot to REALLY see what he can do.

A couple things:

First, the INTs were bad but again, his only action in games has been in complete debacles where the defenses have known what was going to happen. That isn't exactly a good proving ground for any QB let alone a backup. I have said it from the middle of last year. McCown should get a full start. He should be gameplanned (as much as our coaches can...but that is another thread) he should get all the #1 reps and I believe that would tell everyone exactly what he can and cannot do.

Second, McCown did improve from last year to this year. Most of us will acknowledge at least that much. Does that mean he can be and NFL starter? I don't know. I hope he continues to improve but until this team acknowledges the disaster of the season and actually auditions the guys against NFL starters, nobody including the Cards coaches, knows what he or Parsons for that matter can do.

As to the team quitting if Blake gets benched. If these guys quit because of that, then every last damn one of them should be cut from the team and blackballed from the league. As far as I am concerned, they quit yesterday with Blake at the helm.

EDIT: BTW, my confidence in what McCown can do is shaken and dropping. I want him to play better but I am starting to wonder, even though the game situations he has been thrown into have sucked, if he can really do it.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by AZCB34
I have always been a strong pro-McCown guy...not because I know he is NFL material but because I want him to get a shot to REALLY see what he can do.

A couple things:

First, the INTs were bad but again, his only action in games has been in complete debacles where the defenses have known what was going to happen. That isn't exactly a good proving ground for any QB let alone a backup. I have said it from the middle of last year. McCown should get a full start. He should be gameplanned (as much as our coaches can...but that is another thread) he should get all the #1 reps and I believe that would tell everyone exactly what he can and cannot do.

Second, McCown did improve from last year to this year. Most of us will acknowledge at least that much. Does that mean he can be and NFL starter? I don't know. I hope he continues to improve but until this team acknowledges the disaster of the season and actually auditions the guys against NFL starters, nobody including the Cards coaches, knows what he or Parsons for that matter can do.

As to the team quitting if Blake gets benched. If these guys quit because of that, then every last damn one of them should be cut from the team and blackballed from the league. As far as I am concerned, they quit yesterday with Blake at the helm.

EDIT: BTW, my confidence in what McCown can do is shaken and dropping. I want him to play better but I am starting to wonder, even though the game situations he has been thrown into have sucked, if he can really do it.

Good post. I agree that McCown hasn't yet been given a chance to prove what he has or doesn't have. If it doesn't work out with him I would hope that we would go after A.J. Feeley rather than Manning. I think he is better than Jake Delhomme. And look what Delhomme has done this year. I'd rather see us take Roy Williams. Add him and a veteran wide recieve and BOOM! We're explosive.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by pinnacle
now that I think about it..maybe the cards brass are not sold much on mccown either....it was Rich Olsen who basically said draft him...the only reason I can see to think the brass must think they might be OK is the fact that we have not brought in a back up for 2 seasons in a row...so my theory is that they must see something they like....but maybe not. At this stage - I hope Mgmt thinks they both suck so we do something about it.

Nope Mac drafted McCown, he coached him at the Senior Bowl and fell in love with him. I doubt Olson had any say in any draft picks while he was here.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by green machine
On my radio show a few weeks back we had Mike Jurecki on with us. I asked him about McCown, thinking that Mac must love the guy or something. The answer I got was that McCown was Fergy's and Olsen's guy, not Macs.

adam

That would be a surprise since Mac was so openly glowing about him after the draft having coached him at teh Senior Bowl. But Jurecki has connections so maybe Mac was just saying that as the company line?

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by Shane H
Any game action I have seen the two in I would have to say that Parsons is leaps and bounds ahead of McCown as a QB!

Yup I do! I have seen McCown play against third and fourth stringers as well and he just sucks!

Everything I have seen from Parsons is relative. He has played with 3rd and 4th string talent but it also means his WRs and O-line are also 3rd and 4th string same with McCown.

Thats like you saying you watched a guy in college and you think hes good krang, not much difference!