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1. First and foremost, what horrible news it was to hear of Dan Williams' father's passing. The context of it makes it even more devastating for him and the entire Cardinal family---en route to watch his son play in the Superdome. As of yesterday Williams' mother was still hospitalized in Mississippi. It is so dreadfully sad---don't know about you but the news dampened my excitement to watch the game, so I can just imagine how it affected the players and coaches. My Irish instincts tell me that the players and coaches deserve a mulligan on this one. Playing with heavy hearts is tough---in a place that is hard enough to play in as it is. But, the FOX crew was right when they said that BA was about as good a coach to have in Williams' and the team's corner. It will be handled with TLC and with class.

2. House of Horrors indeed. Bad enough to see Lorenzo Alexander and Sam Acho go down to season-ending injuries, but to hear that the bloody tip of Rashad Johnson's middle finger was still in his glove when it was taken off is gruesome, to say the least. Alexander's leadership will be missed---and Acho was having his best game of the season (great sack), so it hurts to lose these players---meanwhile Johnson seems snakebitten this year, in a year where it is his turn to emerge as one of the leaders of the defense.

3. Matchups---that's what this game comes down to these days. The Saints were drooling over the mismatches they felt they had in coverage that they basically abandoned their running game for the first three and a half quarters. Just a week after thinking that Todd Bowles had started to settle down the coverage with the right matchups and schemes---Bowles' decision making in this game was egregious. There's really no other way to put it. The FOX crew harped ad nauseum on that throughout the broadcast and rightfully so.

First of all---you cannot consider Jimmy Graham a TE, because he is not a TE. He is a taller, faster and stronger version of Larry Fitzgerald. Look at the TD in the 2nd quarter---he was lined up wide left. To think that Yeremiah Bell on an island wide with Graham was even an option is beyond comprehension. Even if you have to call timeout (first half anyway) to make a switch, you cannot allow the Saints that easy a mismatch. To Bell's credit he was stride for stride with Graham but at 5'11" whose kidding whom? Bell can cover a 6'7" WR? Honey Badger? As they say on ESPN: "C'mon MAN!"

The obvious matchup here is Patrick Peterson---I mean he covers Fitz every day in practice and he just came off a game where he covered one of the elite big receivers in the NFL in Calvin Johnson. Peterson would have been ready to take this challenge.

What I want to know too is---where's Antoine Cason? One would assume they signed him to cover taller WRs---he would have been the guy to cover Marquis Colston---then you have Badger on Lance Moore (as Bowles did) and Arenas to cover Sproles.

What I also want to know is---after a very active and productive performance the week before, where was Tony Jefferson? Why was Arenas playing safety? Although he did make a nice pass breakup on the goalline versus the skinny post.

Weird...just plain weird.

4. As for Badger---did you see how he mirrored Moore in coverage? Absolute textbook, with perfect feet, perfect cushion in space, all the while with his eyes on Brees and the football. Badger's first interception was a thing of beauty. Quite frankly---he might be the most savvy baller on the team. he is stunningly good. He mis-timed his break on the PI call to Moore, but that was due to a super quick reaction to the football.

5. More defensive weirdness---the Curious Case of Calais Campbell---was that a ghost playing in his spot? How many times did he disappear on plays? So badly that twice in the 4th quarter, once on a key third down and another on Brees' easy scramble up the middle, Campbell, for some inexplicable reason vacated the middle and left a two lane highway for Brees to pass and run through. I don;t think I have ever seen a vacated middle of a line like that (twice no less) in all my years of football.

It begs the question as to whether Campbell now after three invisible games is yet another in the long line of Cardinal fat-cats who played big to get the big contract and then played no-show on Sundays.

In the NFL you HAVE to get premier performances on a weekly basis from the the big contract players. Darnell Dockett has shown up the past two weeks---while Campbell has not even made even a slight impact. He should be to the Cardinals what J.J. Watt is to the Texans. Yet, nada thus far in 2013. Nada thing.

6. Now that things are heating up---let's go right to the issue of BA's offense with Carson Palmer at QB and Levi Brown at LT. It's like a peanut butter, artichoke and horseradish sandwich. It ain't going to work---not as it is designed and not with those two players.

I've been trying to point this out for three weeks---but Carson Palmer is an offensive tackle's worst nightmare. First of all, he's stationary...secondly, he sets the back edge of the pocket deep and even worse he steps backward not forward. if you are an OT---you are screwed. If you get steering leverage you still are going to funnel your man into the QB.

Palmer had occasions where he could have stepped up to buy time and he didn't...the one time he scrambled he had plenty of space to step into.

With Brown at LT---the better QB is Drew Stanton, because he mobile and can escape under pressure. Problem is---no one knows whether Stanton is a gamer yet because he hasn't played much at all in his 6 years.

Palmer looks too afraid to step up---so something has to give.

When I watched Andrew Luck play inside the pocket yesterday it was textbook versus the 49ers. When Aldon Smith over-committed wide, Luck bought time inside the pocket and then ran with it for good yards when he needed to.

The Cardinals need Palmer to step forward---but he looks like he's incorrigible---he just won't do it.

Where Palmer sets the pocket---you have to chip both edges.

Makes one wonder whether there is serious interest on BASK's part in Clemson QB Taj Boyd, whom SK went to scout this past week.

Stationary QBs are going out of style----and we are seeing the reason why.

7. BA badly out-coached by Rob Ryan. Sad to say---and until what we saw yesterday I wouldn't have guessed it but---it was clear that Ryan and HC/OC Sean Payton had spent a great deal of time poring over the Rams' tape, because their game plan was a carbon copy---so much so that they had previously unheralded RDE Junior Galette mimic Robert Quinn's shake and bake pass rush moves---which once again froze the chunky, slow-footed Levi Brown right in his tracks.

What's so bad about Brown is the incredibly easy way he gets beat....and how non-plussed he is afterward---it's as if he doesn't even care. Both he and Carson Palmer have to be two of the most emotionless players in the NFL.

On the other side...look at Drew Brees---the Cardinals hit him numerous times---but Brees never lost his nerve and if anything got even more psyched and determined to prevail.

Palmer crawled into a shell.

BA had two great things going in the first drive---a running game and open passes to Michael Floyd.

Neither of those things were emphasized again until it was way too late.

This guy Mendenhall---he's pretty darned good. Ellington---pretty darned good---and both bring sorely needed speed to what is a boringly slow offense otherwise.

8. Rob Housler? Comes off as a way over-hyped space cadet who does not command the ball. Charles Hawkins commanded the ball in this offense. If he can---why can't Housler? Does he strike anyone as a hungry competitor? Or just another ghost on game-days?

9. Patrick Peterson---not into punt returns for the second straight year. He's fair catch happy and far more tentative than he was as a rookie. I really have to question too how badly he wants to play of offense. He's functioning in the role---but do you get the sense that he really doesn't want the role? He says he does---but what would it say about him if he says otherwise?

However, his role on offense might be in some way helping him on defense as he is playing smoothly and well within himself and the rule in coverage. In other words, he not over-playing as he sometimes has been prone to do.

10. Why in the world was Larry Fitzgerald playing late in the game? What, to add another 8 yard catch for his stats? The previous HC did the same---and this time having been out all week, it was absurd to play him once the game was a rout. Even if he didn't miss the week---is it really worth the risk of a senseless and thoroughly avoidable injury?

With each week now I am going to end with a question of the week---

Would you trade the 2014 and 2015 1st round picks to Cleveland for LT Joe Thomas? (assuming that is what it would take to acquire him)
 

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I specifically remember Carson stepping up in the pocket once during the game... only to get sacked by the inside rush.
 

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Mitch, I have read your Monday posts with great anticipation for a number of years now. This one is head and shoulders above any that I can recall. Virtually every point is well considered and undeniable. What's more, the question you asked at the end is hauntingly profound, and surely worthy of discussion. I do not know if it can be done, but whether or not we should try is certainly up for debate.

The most certain point made during the whole review, is that somehow we have to find a way to get Palmer comfortable in stepping up into the pocket, or chip on both sides, or replace him. Having him set up deep in the pocket, then stepping back to throw will never bring the necessary or desired results.

You are to be commended on an astute analysis of this game.
 

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Palmer isn't a mobile QB and never will be. The problem yesterday was bad games by both Brown and Winston. Palmer wasn't the same after a couple of hits and it was all downhill from there.

No I wouldn't trade two first round picks for Thomas. Tempting though when watching these games.
 

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Would you trade the 2014 and 2015 1st round picks to Cleveland for LT Joe Thomas? (assuming that is what it would take to acquire him)

Ceteris Paribus, I absolutely would. But he has a $10M cap number in 2013 and 2014, which would mean that 40% of our cap in 2014 would be eaten up by Fitz, Campbell, and Thomas.

Is that a core that's leading you to the playoffs? We'll have to shed significant veteran players to get under the cap without acquiring Thomas.

Add in that you don't have a hope of drafting a top-shelf QB or rush linebacker until the latter half of the decade if you make that deal, and I'd blanch pretty significantly.
 

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Ceteris Paribus, I absolutely would. But he has a $10M cap number in 2013 and 2014, which would mean that 40% of our cap in 2014 would be eaten up by Fitz, Campbell, and Thomas.

Is that a core that's leading you to the playoffs? We'll have to shed significant veteran players to get under the cap without acquiring Thomas.

Add in that you don't have a hope of drafting a top-shelf QB or rush linebacker until the latter half of the decade if you make that deal, and I'd blanch pretty significantly.

This is a good opening for a discussion concerning whether or not a trade for Joe Thomas is reasonable, or even possible. Your point about the cap hit needs to be addressed for this to even be considered. Unfortunately that cannot be done without calmly and seriously discussing a couple of heretofore 'sacred cows' in Fitz and Campbell.

Now, before anyone starts flaming me for even suggesting such a thing, please note that I predicated any such discussion with the words calmly and seriously. Also remember this is simply a discussion about whether or not such a deal is practical, feasible, or even possible. We are not the ones wheeling and dealing with roster players, we are simply fans who might look to see if that could even occur.

There is more than ample data to determine that our O'line still needs addressing. That could come from simply trying to fix it by playing the guys we have, by waiting until next year and the return of Johnathon Cooper, or by trying to make a roster move.

K-9 has already pointed out that a roster move, especially for Joe Thomas, will be costly. What has to be determined is, at what point is that move doable, or is it even possible. I am simply saying that it may only be possible if one considered moving either Fitz, Campbell, or both.

Does anyone here wish to continue this discussion?
 

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No way in heck we are shedding that kind of caproom for Joe Thomas. Furthermore Im not so sure a LT is worth 2 first rounders. Especially one that has already been in the league for 7 years.... He may retire in 3 or 4 absolutely not worth the risk or price.
 

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1. Agree. Real life circumstances (some of which are tragically gut-wrenching) have a humbling way of putting spectator sports in their proper context.

2. Agree. But the next guys up will just have to get the job done.

3. Agree re match ups. At least mix things up and disguise coverages and schemes.

4. Agree - Tyrann has uncanny instincts. (Also tackles real good).

5. I believe in Calais - Perhaps he was schemed out of his usual role and had more inside responsibility than usual due to D. Williams' absence. BTW - Who had inside responsibility when Brees strolled in from the 7?

6. Already the cries for the #2 (Stanton)?

7. Agree that BA was out-coached. Agree about Palmer being tailor-made for "perfect" receiving and blocking schemes and personnel, but am afraid that he's the best we've got and that any changes must involve the surrounding cast and not Carson. Two other observations: (a) One other Carson bad habit - when under pressure, he eyeballs his receiver and (2) given our offensive success on first drives - does BA script his first 10 - 12 plays?

8. Agree - Housler is over-hyped. I think he ran the wrong route and/or failed to come back to bail out Palmer & it contributed to his 2nd interception.

9. Disagree about Peterson. He takes what his blockers and opposing coverages give him and does what the coaches ask him to do.

10. I would have pulled Larry once we were down 24 - 7; but, before then, we were still in the game through part of the 3Q and, if we weren't risking further injury, I would have kept Larry in till then.

Thomas is tempting - especially if our mandate is "win now", but not for two #1's for a guy whose best days figure to be behind him. Plus - it would be our luck that, in his first game as a Cardinal, he'd tear up a knee or fracture a fibula.

Mitch - Given the funk we no doubt find ourselves in, it's refreshing and therapeutic to read (& respond to) something constructive and analytical instead of the usual "We suck, fire the coaches and and we're all gonna die" rhetoric so commonplace after a lousy performance. Thank you.
 
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This is a good opening for a discussion concerning whether or not a trade for Joe Thomas is reasonable, or even possible. Your point about the cap hit needs to be addressed for this to even be considered. Unfortunately that cannot be done without calmly and seriously discussing a couple of heretofore 'sacred cows' in Fitz and Campbell.

Now, before anyone starts flaming me for even suggesting such a thing, please note that I predicated any such discussion with the words calmly and seriously. Also remember this is simply a discussion about whether or not such a deal is practical, feasible, or even possible. We are not the ones wheeling and dealing with roster players, we are simply fans who might look to see if that could even occur.

There is more than ample data to determine that our O'line still needs addressing. That could come from simply trying to fix it by playing the guys we have, by waiting until next year and the return of Johnathon Cooper, or by trying to make a roster move.

K-9 has already pointed out that a roster move, especially for Joe Thomas, will be costly. What has to be determined is, at what point is that move doable, or is it even possible. I am simply saying that it may only be possible if one considered moving either Fitz, Campbell, or both.

Does anyone here wish to continue this discussion?

Neither Campbell nor Fitzgerald are movable at this time. Their CAP charges at a trade or release would be impossible to take even without taking on an additional $10M in Thomas's contract. Trading Campbell right now would create about $13M in dead money.

Bringing in Thomas would mean that we'd have to cut guys like Daryl Washington, Darnell Dockett, Carson Palmer, Daryn College, AND Levi Brown. And we couldn't do it until 2014, if then.

And there likely wouldn't be money to extend Patrick Peterson for a little while.

So you'd be looking to go into the 2014 season with a core of Fitz, Campbell, Thomas, Cooper, Peterson, and Mathieu, with Massie and no linebackers.
 

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Neither Campbell nor Fitzgerald are movable at this time. Their CAP charges at a trade or release would be impossible to take even without taking on an additional $10M in Thomas's contract. Trading Campbell right now would create about $13M in dead money.

Bringing in Thomas would mean that we'd have to cut guys like Daryl Washington, Darnell Dockett, Carson Palmer, Daryn College, AND Levi Brown. And we couldn't do it until 2014, if then.

And there likely wouldn't be money to extend Patrick Peterson for a little while.

So you'd be looking to go into the 2014 season with a core of Fitz, Campbell, Thomas, Cooper, Peterson, and Mathieu, with Massie and no linebackers.

Since I admittedly do not understand dead money, I will concede to your statement that trading either Fitz or Campbell is not doable. I also understand that the cap cannot possibly carry all the weight of keeping those mentioned. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
 

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Im agree with almost everything mitch wrote here today,
What really scare me is the stupidity to use arenas( instead of jefferson ),matthieu ,powers and bell covering graham 6'6'' colston 6'4'' meachem 6'2'..
Jefferson just 6 snaps Cason 6'1'' nothing and pp21 never lined up with graham...
How badl this team miss washington and rhodes?
 

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Would you trade the 2014 and 2015 1st round picks to Cleveland for LT Joe Thomas? (assuming that is what it would take to acquire him)

absolutely no. We are going to have a top 5-top 10 pick most likely this year and there are 3 very good LT prospects and at least 3 top notch QB prospects that are going to be available. This team isn't CLOSE to being a contender and Joe Thomas won't make them one. And in doing the above trade, you're basically hitching your wagon to a Carson Palmer lead team for the next 5 years and dismissing the chance to draft a blue chip pass rusher for the next two seasons. That is a recipe for disaster IMO.

no. a thousand times no is how I answer this question.
 
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absolutely FREAKING NOT. We are going to have a top 5-top 10 pick most likely this year and there are 3 very good LT prospects and at least 3 top notch QB prospects that are going to be available. This team isn't CLOSE to being a contender and Joe Thomas won't make them one.

no. a thousand times no is how I answer this question.

Yep
 

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Im agree with almost everything mitch wrote here today,
What really scare me is the stupidity to use arenas( instead of jefferson ),matthieu ,powers and bell covering graham 6'6'' colston 6'4'' meachem 6'2'..
Jefferson just 6 snaps Cason 6'1'' nothing and pp21 never lined up with graham...How badl this team miss washington and rhodes?

That's incorrect. Graham got his 2nd TD against PP and also another catch after that. So NONE of our DB's or LBers could cover him.

absolutely no. We are going to have a top 5-top 10 pick most likely this year and there are 3 very good LT prospects and at least 3 top notch QB prospects that are going to be available. This team isn't CLOSE to being a contender and Joe Thomas won't make them one. And in doing the above trade, you're basically hitching your wagon to a Carson Palmer lead team for the next 5 years and dismissing the chance to draft a blue chip pass rusher for the next two seasons. That is a recipe for disaster IMO.

no. a thousand times no is how I answer this question.

Fully agree.
 

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Palmers lack of mobility makes it a top priority to have an outstanding LT.

If we stick with Palmer there is no doubt we take a LT in the first round next year. If we draft the next Russell Wilson it may still be a priority but to a lesser degree, (not much less)!

I just think in todays NFL you need a somewhat mobile QB unless your name is Peyton Manning.

But thats next year. This year will be feast or fanthom.

One thing is for sure...we willneed to score more than 7 points to win any more games this year.
 

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1. First and foremost, what horrible news it was to hear of Dan Williams' father's passing. The context of it makes it even more devastating for him and the entire Cardinal family---en route to watch his son play in the Superdome. As of yesterday Williams' mother was still hospitalized in Mississippi. It is so dreadfully sad---don't know about you but the news dampened my excitement to watch the game, so I can just imagine how it affected the players and coaches. My Irish instincts tell me that the players and coaches deserve a mulligan on this one. Playing with heavy hearts is tough---in a place that is hard enough to play in as it is. But, the FOX crew was right when they said that BA was about as good a coach to have in Williams' and the team's corner. It will be handled with TLC and with class.

2. House of Horrors indeed. Bad enough to see Lorenzo Alexander and Sam Acho go down to season-ending injuries, but to hear that the bloody tip of Rashad Johnson's middle finger was still in his glove when it was taken off is gruesome, to say the least. Alexander's leadership will be missed---and Acho was having his best game of the season (great sack), so it hurts to lose these players---meanwhile Johnson seems snakebitten this year, in a year where it is his turn to emerge as one of the leaders of the defense.

3. Matchups---that's what this game comes down to these days. The Saints were drooling over the mismatches they felt they had in coverage that they basically abandoned their running game for the first three and a half quarters. Just a week after thinking that Todd Bowles had started to settle down the coverage with the right matchups and schemes---Bowles' decision making in this game was egregious. There's really no other way to put it. The FOX crew harped ad nauseum on that throughout the broadcast and rightfully so.

First of all---you cannot consider Jimmy Graham a TE, because he is not a TE. He is a taller, faster and stronger version of Larry Fitzgerald. Look at the TD in the 2nd quarter---he was lined up wide left. To think that Yeremiah Bell on an island wide with Graham was even an option is beyond comprehension. Even if you have to call timeout (first half anyway) to make a switch, you cannot allow the Saints that easy a mismatch. To Bell's credit he was stride for stride with Graham but at 5'11" whose kidding whom? Bell can cover a 6'7" WR? Honey Badger? As they say on ESPN: "C'mon MAN!"

The obvious matchup here is Patrick Peterson---I mean he covers Fitz every day in practice and he just came off a game where he covered one of the elite big receivers in the NFL in Calvin Johnson. Peterson would have been ready to take this challenge.

What I want to know too is---where's Antoine Cason? One would assume they signed him to cover taller WRs---he would have been the guy to cover Marquis Colston---then you have Badger on Lance Moore (as Bowles did) and Arenas to cover Sproles.

What I also want to know is---after a very active and productive performance the week before, where was Tony Jefferson? Why was Arenas playing safety? Although he did make a nice pass breakup on the goalline versus the skinny post.

Weird...just plain weird.

4. As for Badger---did you see how he mirrored Moore in coverage? Absolute textbook, with perfect feet, perfect cushion in space, all the while with his eyes on Brees and the football. Badger's first interception was a thing of beauty. Quite frankly---he might be the most savvy baller on the team. he is stunningly good. He mis-timed his break on the PI call to Moore, but that was due to a super quick reaction to the football.

5. More defensive weirdness---the Curious Case of Calais Campbell---was that a ghost playing in his spot? How many times did he disappear on plays? So badly that twice in the 4th quarter, once on a key third down and another on Brees' easy scramble up the middle, Campbell, for some inexplicable reason vacated the middle and left a two lane highway for Brees to pass and run through. I don;t think I have ever seen a vacated middle of a line like that (twice no less) in all my years of football.

It begs the question as to whether Campbell now after three invisible games is yet another in the long line of Cardinal fat-cats who played big to get the big contract and then played no-show on Sundays.

In the NFL you HAVE to get premier performances on a weekly basis from the the big contract players. Darnell Dockett has shown up the past two weeks---while Campbell has not even made even a slight impact. He should be to the Cardinals what J.J. Watt is to the Texans. Yet, nada thus far in 2013. Nada thing.

6. Now that things are heating up---let's go right to the issue of BA's offense with Carson Palmer at QB and Levi Brown at LT. It's like a peanut butter, artichoke and horseradish sandwich. It ain't going to work---not as it is designed and not with those two players.

I've been trying to point this out for three weeks---but Carson Palmer is an offensive tackle's worst nightmare. First of all, he's stationary...secondly, he sets the back edge of the pocket deep and even worse he steps backward not forward. if you are an OT---you are screwed. If you get steering leverage you still are going to funnel your man into the QB.

Palmer had occasions where he could have stepped up to buy time and he didn't...the one time he scrambled he had plenty of space to step into.

With Brown at LT---the better QB is Drew Stanton, because he mobile and can escape under pressure. Problem is---no one knows whether Stanton is a gamer yet because he hasn't played much at all in his 6 years.

Palmer looks too afraid to step up---so something has to give.

When I watched Andrew Luck play inside the pocket yesterday it was textbook versus the 49ers. When Aldon Smith over-committed wide, Luck bought time inside the pocket and then ran with it for good yards when he needed to.

The Cardinals need Palmer to step forward---but he looks like he's incorrigible---he just won't do it.

Where Palmer sets the pocket---you have to chip both edges.

Makes one wonder whether there is serious interest on BASK's part in Clemson QB Taj Boyd, whom SK went to scout this past week.

Stationary QBs are going out of style----and we are seeing the reason why.

7. BA badly out-coached by Rob Ryan. Sad to say---and until what we saw yesterday I wouldn't have guessed it but---it was clear that Ryan and HC/OC Sean Payton had spent a great deal of time poring over the Rams' tape, because their game plan was a carbon copy---so much so that they had previously unheralded RDE Junior Galette mimic Robert Quinn's shake and bake pass rush moves---which once again froze the chunky, slow-footed Levi Brown right in his tracks.

What's so bad about Brown is the incredibly easy way he gets beat....and how non-plussed he is afterward---it's as if he doesn't even care. Both he and Carson Palmer have to be two of the most emotionless players in the NFL.

On the other side...look at Drew Brees---the Cardinals hit him numerous times---but Brees never lost his nerve and if anything got even more psyched and determined to prevail.

Palmer crawled into a shell.

BA had two great things going in the first drive---a running game and open passes to Michael Floyd.

Neither of those things were emphasized again until it was way too late.

This guy Mendenhall---he's pretty darned good. Ellington---pretty darned good---and both bring sorely needed speed to what is a boringly slow offense otherwise.

8. Rob Housler? Comes off as a way over-hyped space cadet who does not command the ball. Charles Hawkins commanded the ball in this offense. If he can---why can't Housler? Does he strike anyone as a hungry competitor? Or just another ghost on game-days?

9. Patrick Peterson---not into punt returns for the second straight year. He's fair catch happy and far more tentative than he was as a rookie. I really have to question too how badly he wants to play of offense. He's functioning in the role---but do you get the sense that he really doesn't want the role? He says he does---but what would it say about him if he says otherwise?

However, his role on offense might be in some way helping him on defense as he is playing smoothly and well within himself and the rule in coverage. In other words, he not over-playing as he sometimes has been prone to do.

10. Why in the world was Larry Fitzgerald playing late in the game? What, to add another 8 yard catch for his stats? The previous HC did the same---and this time having been out all week, it was absurd to play him once the game was a rout. Even if he didn't miss the week---is it really worth the risk of a senseless and thoroughly avoidable injury?

With each week now I am going to end with a question of the week---

Would you trade the 2014 and 2015 1st round picks to Cleveland for LT Joe Thomas? (assuming that is what it would take to acquire him)
Great stuff my man! You got it spot on as far as I'm concerned.
 

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Simple solution. Jared "the Hulk" Veldheer is a FA next year. Just sign him. Then Palmer would feel safe and throw for over 4000 yards.
 

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I can't help thinking that the Cards just might be looking to make a roster move after the New Orleans beatdown. None of the options look real good to me, but right now, the best move might be simply to use our OLB's like we did last year, and try to generate a pass rush with the secondary and the interior defensive line. Dockett had a very good day in New Orleans, 3 sacks, and appears to be back from the sabbatical he took against St. Louis, after playing with intensity the past two weeks.

That said, I just can't imagine a roster move that would help that much, as the league has accounted for pretty much all the needed O'linemen, OLB's, (especially speed rushers), etc. They might wait an see if we can get by with Okafor this week at OLB, and just have him set the edge. If that works ok, they may then wait for D-Wash to return the following week, provided he doesn't get more down time added because of the DV issue. At least with him back, there is a speedy backer who can cover TE's across the middle and in the slot.

I don't know if Dansby could then be used as a speed rusher from the outside or not. Maybe they could scheme to where he lined up outside but rushed from the middle, very slightly delayed. In that case, maybe Minter could pair with D-Wash in the middle and either stuff a gap, or play spy when we face a mobile QB. Just getting Dan Williams back should help some with the middle gaps. He did play very well against Detroit.
 

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I can't help thinking that the Cards just might be looking to make a roster move after the New Orleans beatdown. None of the options look real good to me, but right now, the best move might be simply to use our OLB's like we did last year, and try to generate a pass rush with the secondary and the interior defensive line. Dockett had a very good day in New Orleans, 3 sacks, and appears to be back from the sabbatical he took against St. Louis, after playing with intensity the past two weeks.

That said, I just can't imagine a roster move that would help that much, as the league has accounted for pretty much all the needed O'linemen, OLB's, (especially speed rushers), etc. They might wait an see if we can get by with Okafor this week at OLB, and just have him set the edge. If that works ok, they may then wait for D-Wash to return the following week, provided he doesn't get more down time added because of the DV issue. At least with him back, there is a speedy backer who can cover TE's across the middle and in the slot.

I don't know if Dansby could then be used as a speed rusher from the outside or not. Maybe they could scheme to where he lined up outside but rushed from the middle, very slightly delayed. In that case, maybe Minter could pair with D-Wash in the middle and either stuff a gap, or play spy when we face a mobile QB. Just getting Dan Williams back should help some with the middle gaps. He did play very well against Detroit.
Fish, I don't believe Bowles is going to change his scheme regardless of those 2 starting OLBs being out for the year, because he relies on his defensive front for pressure instead of blitzing.

Look for Moch to be brought to the active roster & Dansby to be an OLBer once DWash returns...at least those would be my moves. Los can rush the passer from the outside & many of his 30+ sacks came early with the Cards as a OLB in the 4-3.

On offense it's time to activate Massey & try him at LT. Nuff said about that.
 

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Fish, I don't believe Bowles is going to change his scheme regardless of those 2 starting OLBs being out for the year, because he relies on his defensive front for pressure instead of blitzing.

Look for Moch to be brought to the active roster & Dansby to be an OLBer once DWash returns...at least those would be my moves. Los can rush the passer from the outside & many of his 30+ sacks came early with the Cards as a OLB in the 4-3.

On offense it's time to activate Massey & try him at LT. Nuff said about that.

Moch was put on the active roster today.
 

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Just thought I'd mention it here.... Watching Bronco/Raider game they pointed out how much speed receivers can help the passing game by stretching the field to clear the deep middle. Cards don't have that luxury nor do they have the blocking to let it develop.
 

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Arians compulsion for the big pass play might have doomed our offense this game. Our first drive was filled with runs and short to intermediate routes. Next drives we got away from the run and started going deep on first down. Not to mention our strange liking for 3rd down plays to Te's and RB instead of fitz and other WR's.
 

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Fish, I don't believe Bowles is going to change his scheme regardless of those 2 starting OLBs being out for the year, because he relies on his defensive front for pressure instead of blitzing.

Look for Moch to be brought to the active roster & Dansby to be an OLBer once DWash returns...at least those would be my moves. Los can rush the passer from the outside & many of his 30+ sacks came early with the Cards as a OLB in the 4-3.

On offense it's time to activate Massey & try him at LT. Nuff said about that.

That would probably be my fix to Bucky. It really makes a lot of sense, especially since we would have a very fast ILB to cover in the slot and across the middle once D-wash gets here. Thanks
 

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Arians compulsion for the big pass play might have doomed our offense this game. Our first drive was filled with runs and short to intermediate routes. Next drives we got away from the run and started going deep on first down. Not to mention our strange liking for 3rd down plays to Te's and RB instead of fitz and other WR's.

Agree with this. It helped to create too many third and longs. When both tackles are struggling that is a recipe for...Well we saw what happenned.
 

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Just thought I'd mention it here.... Watching Bronco/Raider game they pointed out how much speed receivers can help the passing game by stretching the field to clear the deep middle. Cards don't have that luxury nor do they have the blocking to let it develop.

Which is exactly why it's so puzzling as to why BA cut Hawkins before the season after producing at a high level in preseason. :bang:

And then this week we don't use Taylor as a WR after a decent showing last week & instead play Brown. :(

Maybe the problem is hiring dumb ex-Stealer coaches ;)
 
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