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  1. Krangthebrain

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    Where we differ is that I think the talent in the mid-first round ISN'T that huge of a drop off. There are good players there, and getting more choices means you can get more of these solid players.

    If you told me I could get Brian Burns and Chris Lindstrom or Nick Bosa, I definitely choose the first choice.
     
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    Finally someone else showing him some love! But honestly don't think he will be there in the 6th round.

    I don't think many fans are talking about him but the teams all know what he's accomplished.

    4th to early 5th would be my guess
     
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    I completely understand your view, Garth. I have always been a defense-first guy, and I won’t ever say no to adding great defensive players. A stud edge rusher, a very good defensive tackle and maybe a very good defensive back or two, and this defense could be dominant. It would also create more quality depth.

    I think you are very right that Rosen’s experience and Kingsbury’s system alone should upgrade the offense a lot. That is, of course, if they don’t go with Kyler Murray.
     
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    No, I understand and agree that the level in the mid-tier is not that much worse, but to me it’s just that the Cards need the best players they can get, so unless it’s only a small trade down, I am not willing to do it. Even that little drop-off is enough for me.

    Personally, I wouldn’t take Burns in the first round, but let’s just say they could get Bosa, Allen or Williams or they could get a slightly lesser talent along with one or two more picks, I would take the better player.
     
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    I don’t think he will be there either, UK. I think he’s great, and I would be so happy if the Cards drafted him.
     
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    My wife approves of the Ferris State pick!


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    I think Burns might actually go top ten. He has some of the most advanced pass rush moves in the draft and he has that true bend that great pass rushers generally have.

    He weighed in at the combine at 250 and still ran fast. His issue is that I dont think he's a good fit at all as a 4-3 end, he's really well suited the be a 3-4 backer.

    Great fit opposite Jones, since he's a speed guy to Jones being a power guy.
     
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    Well, my assessment of Burns is that he has all the tools but very limited technique, and overall knowledge of how to use those tools. I could also see him go top 10, or at the very least in the first round, but I wouldn’t do it.

    I was wondering, one “trade down” scenario could be taking Murray and selling Rosen for a first round pick. Would you be okay with that? I think I maybe would. Whatever you think of Murray (and believe me, I don’t have high hopes that he will survive in the NFL), it’s hard to deny that he is an exiting player, and that it would possible be very fun to see the Cardinals with him at the helm. However, I think he is extremely fortunate to play behind that offensive line at Oklahoma. Very rarely did he get touched or even pressured. Which is where my point comes in. What about taking Murray #1, sell Rosen and pick up maybe Lindstrom, Bradbury or another offensive lineman in the middle of round one?

    Just to be clear, I don’t want the mentioned scenario to happen, but maybe it could be an option.
     
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    Glad I could be at service! I approve it too. ;)
     
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    I'm not disagreeing with you per se. my motives are that this team has more holes than Augusta and it would be worth it to move back a bit to get another higher pick. There is still value there and according to Walter Football, Samuel is there in that slot so you're still getting a very good WR at 38. That's what makes making that trade a good one for us.


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    Okay, now I understand.

    Yes, actually, it was between Brown and Samuel – even at #33, but like you, I think Samuel could be available a bit later. I really like Samuel, especially for Kingsbury’s perceived offense. For me the deciding factor was his broken leg as late as 2017. Based on last season it shouldn’t be a problem, but it was enough to me as a tie breaker that early in the draft.

    I think my view is more that it is not only a matter of getting quantity, but to create depth by adding to the top, if you can say it like that. By relegating current key players to backups by drafting better players than them, and making the overall quality of the team better with that method. Like you said, there might not be much different between #33 and #40, but there IS a difference, which is enough for me to favor the better player over two or three players.
     
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    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2019/futures-brian-burns
     
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    Brown is a big slot guy. He also ran a real limited route three at Ole Miss. That means he will need to learn a lot coming into the league.

    That's one of the reasons I like Deebo a lot more, he lined up all over the field. Broken legs are freak injuries and arent indicative of future injuries.
     
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    Man that's a tough pick there. Many ways to go here. You went Edge, WR one, two. OL there is Howard, Edward's, Deiter, Jenkins.

    I'd go either Edward's or Jenkins. Jenkins if you want a starter right away.

    Still some GREAT WR options if you want to double down on the outside and have Fitz and Kirk in the slots or trips wide.

    3 (67). Indianapolis Colts (from 49ers) - WR J.J. Arcega-Whiteside
    4 (68). Cleveland Browns (from Jets) - S Johnathan Abram
    5 (69). Buffalo Bills (from Jaguars) - WR Kelvin Harmon
    6 (70). Tampa Bay Buccaneers - OT Tytus Howard
    – (–). New York Giants Selection forfeited during the 2018 supplemental draft.
    7 (71). Denver Broncos - LB Mack Wilson
    8 (72). Cincinnati Bengals - OT David Edwards
    9 (73). New England Patriots (from Lions) - LB Christian Miller,
    10 (74). Jacksonville Jaguars (from Bills) - WR Riley Ridley
    11 (75). Green Bay Packers - OG Michael Deiter
    12 (76). Washington Redskins - CB Joejuan Williams
    13 (77). Carolina Panthers - DE Zach Allen
    14 (78). Detroit Lions (form Dolphins) - WR Andy Isabella
    15 (79). Atlanta Falcons - DE Anthony Nelson
    16 (80). New York Jets (from Browns) - C Elgton Jenkins
    17 (81). Minnesota Vikings - DT Trysten Hill
    18 (82). San Francisco 49ers (from Titans) - CB Trayvon Mullen
     
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    I disagree. He was often used as a big slot guy, but that doesn’t mean it is his best position. I think he has shown multiple times he can easily play other receiver positions as well, and I don’t think he needs to learn a lot. Not more than all other receiver prospects, anyway.

    Regarding Burns, yes, I know how many are enamored with him, but I just don’t agree. I don’t see an advanced edge rusher. I see a great athlete.
     

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