Lakers @ Suns Friday game thread, 11-10-2023 - In-Season Tournament Game #1

[Dr. Jones]

Where is this Kevin Young offense?

And this vaunted Vogel defensive strategy?

Not a fun team to watch at all.

 

[Raindog]

So when do we get around to admitting to ourselves that Vogel is just a very pedestrian coach? I know he has that flukey Lakers championship , but everything I've seen so far looks like not particularly competent at running an offense or defense, managing a lineup, or making effective adjustments.

 

[Mainstreet]

Maybe another coach who wont be in az long lol

It's early but this is exactly what I was thinking. The Suns have too much talent to play this poorly.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The Suns defense is really bad.

This is really the biggest problem.

And was last year too.

Okogie is a massive disappointment.

 

[mjb21aztd]

I think ill have my car radio on a taylor swift song or commercial rather than sports radio tom morn lol

Zzz gonna suckkkkk ton what the actual f suns

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is what concerns me. I thought Vogel was a more cerebral coach, but this doesn’t look like creative basketball.

I also thought it was strange there was so much emphasis on keeping Kevin Young.

 

[95pro]

And F the refs, NBA and Lakers. Just a crap show in the 3rd.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So when do we get around to admitting to ourselves that Vogel is just a very pedestrian coach? I know he has that flukey Lakers championship , but everything I've seen so far looks like not particularly competent at running an offense or defense, managing a lineup, or making effective adjustments.

The defense is just so bad and that’s supposed to be his specialty. That’s what’s making me raise my brow the most.

 

[elindholm]

They lose tonight I might need to take the time off til Xmas. I can't watch constant choking

I gave up after the first Spurs loss. Haven't watched since. It will take a lot for them to get me back on board.

 

[DJ Tabooh]

We really miss a PG who can get us into our offensive sets. We’re not wining a series nevertheless a title playing this. Idc if Book plays or not, this isn’t cohesive whatsoever.

The attention to detail and effort defensively is lacking. You know what helps an offense, getting out in transition off getting stops. This team has a ways to go.

 

[mjb21aztd]

I gave up after the first Spurs loss. Haven't watched since. It will take a lot for them to get me back on board.

Ya those spurs losses made my head hurt

Hope u get to come back on board during a nice poff run....

Injuries have killed suns early cant have book or beal be missing everyother gm

 

[Mainstreet]

The Pistons beat the 76ers tonight at home.

Edit: It's the other way around. The 76ers won. I thought it read differently when I saw it.

 

[clyde2tw]

We have two main weakness on D in Allen and Yuta who got completely abused and exploited by LBJ. Yuta committed at least 4 shooting fouls on him in short time span, and when Allen got switched to LBJ in the last 6 min in the 4th, Lakers scored, with Reeves and Redish 3pts as results. With KD and Beal in there, we primarily need to stop their offense first and our offense would come from itself. Put Okogie in place of Allen and Little instead of Yuta, we'd have had a better chance to win the game; both are strong enough to single cover LBJ as well as KBD did.
Also, Vogel still doesn't have the right idea of how to play Okogie on O yet, he can cause havoc by mixing it up closer to baske, compared to unreliable 3pt shooting.
So, I blame Vogel for the loss.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Clippers (3-5) have three stars and they were trounced by the Mavericks tonight.

 

[Superbone]

What an awful loss. Lots of awful losses so far.

Extremely frustrating. And with so many damn Lakers fan on our court with their color.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We have two main weakness on D in Allen and Yuta who got completely abused and exploited by LBJ. Yuta committed at least 4 shooting fouls on him in short time span, and when Allen got switched to LBJ in the last 6 min in the 4th, Lakers scored, with Redish's hot at 3pt and Reeves as results. With KD and Beal in there, we need to stop their offense first and our offense would become having them drive anyways. Put Okogie in place of Allen and Little instead of Yuta, we'd have had better chance to outscore them late in the game; both are strong enough to single cover LBJ as well as KBD. Also, Vogel still doesn't have the right idea of how to play Okogie on O yet, it's bad idea to park him on 3pt line, yet he can cause havoc by mixing it up closer to basket. So, I blame Vogel for the loss.

You can’t put Okogie in there. He automatically makes the game 4 on 5 on offense which allows teams to totally bottle up Beal and KD. Maybe that changes with Booker in there because you can’t double three guys, but Josh failed his mission this off-season to just become a barely average 3 point shooter.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Man… 2 losses to both the Lakers and Spurs, one of which is horrendous and the other painfully mediocre at best.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's scary to think the best true point guard on the Suns roster is Saban Lee and he is on a two-way contract.

 

[clyde2tw]

You can’t put Okogie in there. He automatically makes the game 4 on 5 on offense which allows teams to totally bottle up Beal and KD. Maybe that changes with Booker in there because you can’t double three guys, but Josh failed his mission this off-season to just become a barely average 3 point shooter.

Your thesis would be right, if parking Okogie on the 3pt line were the only way to play him on O. But it is not. Also, it affects both O and D. We simply couldn't stop the Lakers in the 4th.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The Clippers (3-5) have three stars and they were trounced by the Mavericks tonight.

The Clippers don’t have three stars.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Would feel nice as a fan if just 1 az pro team could w just 1 big gm cough cough cough !!!

 

[DJ Tabooh]

The Pistons beat the 76ers tonight at home.

This Pistons were up at halftime but the Sixers won by 8

 

[Mainstreet]

Actually, the Clippers have four stars: Leonard, George, Harden and Westbrook.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Actually, the Clippers have four stars: Leonard, George, Harden and Westbrook.

Ohhh forgot the beard on clippers now hope the star devil does well there awesome talent!

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm to the point I'm hoping the Cardinals can cheer me up. At least Kyler Murray will be back.