Kyler to IR With Foot Injury

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From the cheap seats it's obviously difficult to know but Kyler's never seemed to have a particularly high pain threshold. If he's not 100% he doesn't play, rather than adjust his game to what he's physically capable of

But that's just an impression from afar. Maybe he's carried heaps of injuries we don't know about and his foot is stuffed now, who knows
 

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Personally, I've always wanted Kyler to succeed because I was told he's too small. He and I are the same size and I heard much of the same thing growing up. I knew his window would be short, similar to other smaller players who can't take the hits constantly in an NFL season. I probably hung on to that blind hope too long. Kyler will get another shot and Ill be rooting for him to succeed. I doubt we'll see him in a Cardinals uniform again and I'm ready for the next chapter.

My only remaining hope is all of the character assassination around his foot stop. Way too many people making up stories to justify their hatred for him. The Cardinals could easily clear this up and tell us his exact Injury, but they won't. Instead, some want to guess that IR is benching without benching him. Let me ask you this, who would DP and JG want as their back up, Jeff Driskel or Kyler Murray? If they are serious about winning games, Kyler is your back up if hes healthy.
let me ask you this... would they rather have the possibility of an all-time head-case making major waves and major distractions on the season and roster or do him the solid and come to an agreement where he can save face?

And before you say there's no proof Kyler would become a head-case... it's not like we haven't seen his petulance play out both on and off the field before, where he's yelled at coaches on national TV, and yanked all Cards stuff off social media during ludicrous contract negotiations.

There is also the VERY real possibility that Kyler's ego won't allow him to be the back-up. As K9 brought up, I believe there's a world where Kyler doesn’t want to back up Jacoby Brissett and would rather not play.

Again, State Radio, 98.7, are ALL saying what a lot of us are thinking... that the IR move doesn't smell right. Maybe in Gannon/Monti's eyes, the headache ain't worth the body-ache if Brissett goes down. And if they want everyone on the roster all-in, the last thing they probably want is a butt-hurt, primadonna QB who's all-out that they have to depend on if anything goes wrong. Sometimes in sports, there's addition by subtraction.

And lastly... I don't even know how serious this team is actually about winning games. They've consistently not used the best of their resources to do so during the Monti/Gannon three year run so why would this decision be any different.
 

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Sadly I believe Kyler peaked at OU where his superior athleticism and combination of run and pass ability carried the day.

He definitely had some success early on when he had HOF receivers like Larry and Dhop to throw to.

My respect for him diminished considerably after his machinations as soon as he was eligible for a new contract after his 3rd season. I hope our QBOTF is more like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes, both in temperament and ability.
 

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Kylers only chance of success is to have a system built 100% around him. The problem with that is that it does not maximize other players, tends to lead to injury.
And if Murray gets hurt they’re screwed.
 

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Coaching and personal weirdness ruined Plummer
But Plummer proved he could win.

Got us our first playoff win in forever, in Dallas over the Cowboys.

Also beat the Patriots in the playoffs in the 2005 season, for Denver.

Broke a couple of Elway's passing records, too.
 
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I respect the hustle but you told this same story about Elijah Jones being actually injured and he’s still never appeared in an NFL game.

Would you believe that Kyler doesn’t want to back up Jacoby Brissett and would rather not play? Because I do.
We also have Elijah Jones too, who red shirted as a 3rd round pick. You'd hope he could be the 4th CB.

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Sure about that? I said he was being red shirted.

And the difference is you said you think that. Others are stating it as fact. I respect your opinion on it and disagree. That is how is should be, just as you said you disagree with my opinion on it.
 
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He had that with Kingsbury, but he quit on Kingsbury after the Packers game and threw him under the bus.
What are we talking about ? KK literally ran the same offense here that he did in college, but that’s all of a sudden tailor made for Kyler? He didn’t change anything - that was KK’s same system.

I don’t want to hear how great kyler said either offense scheme was that’s purely a QB doing the coaches speak thing he should do in interviews. Can’t really think of any QB that has crapped on the play caller for the most part - sure there are 1 offs.

Ya ya.. kyler sucks. He’s an awful QB. Just simply curious of an offense that is designed around his positive attributes and doesn’t lean on him to be your typical pocket passer bc he will never be that. Again - for the KDS crowd - he sucks! Just curious if he’d had the same results otherwise.. good chance he still sucks.

Just curiosity Team KDS, that’s all.
 

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What are we talking about ? KK literally ran the same offense here that he did in college, but that’s all of a sudden tailor made for Kyler? He didn’t change anything - that was KK’s same system.

I don’t want to hear how great kyler said either offense scheme was that’s purely a QB doing the coaches speak thing he should do in interviews. Can’t really think of any QB that has crapped on the play caller for the most part - sure there are 1 offs.

Ya ya.. kyler sucks. He’s an awful QB. Just simply curious of an offense that is designed around his positive attributes and doesn’t lean on him to be your typical pocket passer bc he will never be that. Again - for the KDS crowd - he sucks! Just curious if he’d had the same results otherwise.. good chance he still sucks.

Just curiosity Team KDS, that’s all.
Modern offenses are designed to exploit modern defenses. Modern defenses are mostly emulating Vic Fangio's system. Versions of Fangio's system has taken over most of the league since 2022. The easiest way to exploit Fangio's version of two high in the passing game are timing routes over the middle. Kyler can't consistency throw timing routes over the middle, its his biggest weakness. Kyler's strengths as a passer are mostly taken away by Fangio's system. The league wide defensive shift has mainly gotten media coverage for taking away Mahomes' deep ball and shutting down the original McVay scheme, but the less talked about consequence is that it has completely killed guys like Kyler and Russel Wilson.

The other way to exploit Fangio's scheme is a power run game, with multiple TEs to create mismatches and exploit the holes underneath. This what is what the current staff has tried to do. Now obviously they've also hoped that Kyler would be able to improve the throws he's bad at, but its clear that isnt working. I get why Gannon has held out hope for Kyler, if he could improve his pocket passing he would be the most dangerous QB in the league.

At this point I just don't think its possible to be an NFL QB if you can't throw with timing over the middle. Russell Wilson's career didnt die because of his legs slowing down, it died because he couldn't effectively operate the offenses needed to exploit modern NFL defenses. Wilson's stats were fine in 2023, he was winning a decent number of games, but Payton benched him anyways; he wasnt running the offense correctly. Like Kyler, Russell was never good at throwing over the middle. He can still throw his moonballs effectively, but teams are competent enough to take that away. You can build an offense around Kyler's strengths, but I think it would get smashed by a modern defense.

Kyler strengths are perimeter throws, deep shots, scrambling, and unscripted plays. Defenses have been focused on taking the perimeter throws away from him for years at this point, and the goal of modern defense is to take away the deep ball. All he has left is being a game manager of a power run scheme (dinking to set up a deep shot) and trying to create in broken plays. Look at our games from 2024, Kyler had good passing performances against teams that had given up (Jets, 2nd 49ers) horrible personnel (Pats, Dolphins) and one game where his broken plays actually worked (1st Rams). The rest of the time he was a game manger that occasionally made a play with his legs.

I think Kyler's career would have been amazing if he had entered the league in 2010. In the 2010s most teams were trying to emulate the legion of boom's single high cover 3. Kyler's skillset is perfect to exploit that defense, short routes to the sidelines and vertical routes. He could have been a more athletic version of HOF bound, superbowl champion Russell Wilson. I think we saw that his first 3 years, he was just stuck on a team with a horrible roster. Now defenses have caught up, and instead Kyler is just a more athletic version of benchwarmer Russell Wilson.
 
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Modern offenses are designed to exploit modern defenses. Modern defenses are mostly emulating Vic Fangio's system. Versions of Fangio's system has taken over most of the league since 2022. The easiest way to exploit Fangio's version of two high in the passing game are timing routes over the middle. Kyler can't consistency throw timing routes over the middle, its his biggest weakness. Kyler's strengths as a passer are mostly taken away by Fangio's system. The league wide defensive shift has mainly gotten media coverage for taking away Mahomes' deep ball and shutting down the original McVay scheme, but the less talked about consequence is that it has completely killed guys like Kyler and Russel Wilson.

The other way to exploit Fangio's scheme is a power run game, with multiple TEs to create mismatches and exploit the holes underneath. This what is what the current staff has tried to do. Now obviously they've also hoped that Kyler would be able to improve the throws he's bad at, but its clear that isnt working. I get why Gannon has held out hope for Kyler, if he could improve his pocket passing he would be the most dangerous QB in the league.

At this point I just don't think its possible to be an NFL QB if you can't throw with timing over the middle. Russell Wilson's career didnt die because of legs slowing down, it died because he couldn't effectively operated the offenses needed to exploit modern NFL defenses. Wilson's stats were fine in 2023, he was winning a decent number of games, but Payton benched him anyways; he wasnt running the offense correctly. Like Kyler, Russell was never good at throwing over the middle. He can still throw his moonballs effectively, but teams are competent enough to take that away. You can build an offense around Kyler's strengths, but I think it would get smashed by a modern defense.

Kyler strengths are perimeter throws, deep shots, scrambling, and unscripted plays. Defenses have been focused on taking the perimeter throws away from him for years at this point, and the goal of modern defense is to take away the deep ball. All he has left is being a game manager of a power run scheme (dinking to set up a deep shot) and trying to create in broken plays. Look at our games from 2024, Kyler had good passing performances against teams that had given up (Jets, 2nd 49ers) horrible personnel (Pats, Dolphins) and one game where his broken plays actually worked (1st Rams). The rest of the time he was a game manger that occasionally made a play with his legs.

I think Kyler's career would have been amazing if he had entered the league in 2010. In the 2010s most teams were trying to emulate the legion of boom's single high cover 3. Kyler's skillset is perfect to exploit that defense, short routes to the sidelines and vertical routes. He could have been a more athletic version of HOF bound, superbowl champion Russell Wilson. I think we saw that his first 3 years, he was just stuck on a team with a horrible roster. Now defenses have caught up, and instead Kyler is just a more athletic version of benchwarmer Russell Wilson.
Not in full agreement, but interesting.
 

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we're you around during the Jake Plummer years daves?
I've been around since the Jim Hart years!

Plummer was an interesting case in that he admitted that he never studied while with the Cardinals. I think most fans quickly recognized that, while the Cardinals organization was one of the worst in the league, Plummer earned his way out of town and deserved no excuses for his mostly lousy performances with the Cardinals.
 

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The league wide defensive shift has mainly gotten media coverage for taking away Mahomes' deep ball and shutting down the original McVay scheme, but the less talked about consequence is that it has completely killed guys like Kyler and Russel Wilson.
I think there is a lot of truth to this

I dont think its the only thing with Kyler, but i think its a material factor.
 

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