Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[Cheesebeef]

I’m relatively certain Josh Allen never tore his ACL, but that doesn’t change the fact that you’re right….. players come back from ACL tears all the time and are still stars. Not so sure why crimson is so worried about it?

It’s just yet another excuse used to defend a mediocre QB that we’re paying to be a superstar.

 

[Stout]

lol no L to take here. Happy to call Petz what his playcalling is - trash. Sensitive keyboard warriors crack me up.

Yeah, no, not a keyboard warrior. I am a mental health professional who will confront and call out that kind of stigmatizing language wherever it comes from. It's literally in my code of ethics. Calling it trash? Sure. Knock yourself out. Calling anything -**** is wrong. End of.

 

[DaHilg]

Yeah, no, not a keyboard warrior. I am a mental health professional who will confront and call out that kind of stigmatizing language wherever it comes from. It's literally in my code of ethics. Calling it trash? Sure. Knock yourself out. Calling anything -**** is wrong. End of.

Social justice keyboard warrior.. the best of the best. Have a great night pal, keep tossin’ and turnin’ over a term “PetzTrash”. It’s funny that the few that get offended in this world scream the loudest. Take a chill pill (whatever that is for you) and relax pal.

 

[Stout]

Social justice keyboard warrior.. the best of the best. Have a great night pal, keep tossin’ and turnin’ over a term “PetzTrash”. It’s funny that the few that get offended in this world scream the loudest. Take a chill pill (whatever that is for you) and relax pal.

Petztrash is fine--what you used wasn't. It's funny that most offensive people get offended when called on being on their trash.

 

[DaHilg]

Petztrash is fine--what you used wasn't. It's funny that most offensive people get offended when called on being on their trash.

I’m not offended here whatsoever.

 

[Stout]

I’m not offended here whatsoever.

BTW, social justice warrior isn't an insult--it's a high compliment. To think otherwise is to literally think that defending social justice is a negative. That's a neat way of admitting you don't believe everybody deserves to be treated fairly in society. That speaks a lot to people who think social justice warrior is an insult. Talk about trash.

I'll try this one on you, too. Look a mother with a son that has Downs Syndrome in the eye and say the word you've been using as a derivative. She'll destroy you. As we all know, it's no different than a white person who uses the n-word complaining that people are just too easily offended or a snowflake if they don't like it. Words are just words, amirite?

So, go on, tell us some more about yourself. Please do.

 

[DaHilg]

BTW, social justice warrior isn't an insult--it's a high compliment. To think otherwise is to literally think that defending social justice is a negative. That's a neat way of admitting you don't believe everybody deserves to be treated fairly in society. That speaks a lot to people who think social justice warrior is an insult. Talk about trash.

I'll try this one on you, too. Look a mother with a son that has Downs Syndrome in the eye and say the word you've been using as a derivative. She'll destroy you. As we all know, it's no different than a white person who uses the n-word complaining that people are just too easily offended or a snowflake if they don't like it. Words are just words, amirite?

So, go on, tell us some more about yourself. Please do.

You sound bored. Way to embellish and twist to align with making yourself feel proud today. Have no desire to read this post through let alone engage with further dialogue on this topic for you to feel like you accomplished something today.

 

[DaHilg]

BTW, social justice warrior isn't an insult--it's a high compliment. To think otherwise is to literally think that defending social justice is a negative. That's a neat way of admitting you don't believe everybody deserves to be treated fairly in society. That speaks a lot to people who think social justice warrior is an insult. Talk about trash.

I'll try this one on you, too. Look a mother with a son that has Downs Syndrome in the eye and say the word you've been using as a derivative. She'll destroy you. As we all know, it's no different than a white person who uses the n-word complaining that people are just too easily offended or a snowflake if they don't like it. Words are just words, amirite?

So, go on, tell us some more about yourself. Please do.

The fact that a moderator won’t step in and see this is a personal attack on a member for the amount of light hearted comments that get a ban would be shocking.

 

[BirdGangThing]

The fact that a moderator won’t step in and see this is a personal attack on a member for the amount of light hearted comments that get a ban would be shocking.

so you have the right to be incredibly offensive but nobody has the right to call you incredibly offensive - because that's what's happened - i didn't even know what was going on - never would have - missed it entirely but you drug all this back into the light - then you insult others for being offended and then you cry moderator - come on man

 

[DaHilg]

so you have the right to be incredibly offensive but nobody has the right to call you incredibly offensive - because that's what's happened - i didn't even know what was going on - never would have - missed it entirely but you drug all this back into the light - then you insult others for being offended and then you cry moderator - come on man

Incredibly offensive? To maybe a few people bro.. why don’t you settle down. If we all got offended by everything then there would be no posts. I drug it up? I cried ? Why don’t you check the posts.. it was a select few others that decided to cry to moderators and made PetzTrash name that has been tossed around for months with out batting an eyebrow.

In fact I’m offended by your post. Incredibly in fact.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Incredibly offensive? To maybe a few people bro.. why don’t you settle down. If we all got offended by everything then there would be no posts. I drug it up? I cried ? Why don’t you check the posts.. it was a select few others that decided to cry to moderators and made PetzTrash name that has been tossed around for months with out batting an eyebrow.

In fact I’m offended by your post. Incredibly in fact.

cool we don't have to talk no more

 

[Stout]

The fact that a moderator won’t step in and see this is a personal attack on a member for the amount of light hearted comments that get a ban would be shocking.

Now who has thin skin? lol

 

[BritCard]

I woke up with a lot of optimism today. Now that our defense isnt trash panda city and hopefully can be relied on to get us the ball back more - I wonder if petzing will be more aggressive, especially in the downfield pass game instead of trying to have long slow drives in the run game to keep the defense off the field.

That and Kyler on record stating he wants to be utilized in the ground game more this season can really open this offense up.

Y'all keep blaming Petzing for "no downfield passing" when Kyler has statistically been the worst downfield passer in the league over the past 3 seasons.

If you were an OC, and your QB was literally the worst downfield passer in the league, how much would you call downfield passing plays? Bearing in mind you're 36 and your whole career relies on being as successful as possible.

 

[DaHilg]

Now who has thin skin? lol

It was mocking you and a few others.. lol

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

Y'all keep blaming Petzing for "no downfield passing" when Kyler has statistically been the worst downfield passer in the league over the past 3 seasons.

If you were an OC, and your QB was literally the worst downfield passer in the league, how much would you call downfield passing plays? Bearing in mind you're 36 and your whole career relies on being as successful as possible.

Brit I'm no Kyler fan boy. He used to have the deep ball in his arsenal though- I as many here assumed the last couple seasons were because he needed a large bodied WR like dhop or fitz instead of the pipsqueak squad of rondale Moore, Hollywood brown, etc.

Then last season happened and the excuses were out and we still blew at throwing the ball deep. Kyler and petzing need to play like their careers depend on it this season- and if they can't move the ball deep AT ALL- then we need to replace both after this season. Petzing saying that poor little Kyler can't throw a deep ball so he isn't going to even try would be a cowards move and probably land him on the streets even faster

 

[BritCard]

Brit I'm no Kyler fan boy. He used to have the deep ball in his arsenal though- I as many here assumed the last couple seasons were because he needed a large bodied WR like dhop or fitz instead of the pipsqueak squad of rondale Moore, Hollywood brown, etc.

Then last season happened and the excuses were out and we still blew at throwing the ball deep. Kyler and petzing need to play like their careers depend on it this season- and if they can't move the ball deep AT ALL- then we need to replace both after this season. Petzing saying that poor little Kyler can't throw a deep ball so he isn't going to even try would be a cowards move and probably land him on the streets even faster

It's not WR's. He has one of the worst catchable ball rates in the league and one of the worst EPA's. This past year he had a 33% comp rate on balls over 20 yards. If there are stats for interceptions on deep balls I'd imagine Kylers is very poor too.

They aren't throwing deep because they are managing it out of his game.

I don't know what happened, 2019 and 2020 he was great. He was great with Pharaoh Cooper, Christian Kirk and the dying embers of Larry Fitzgerald. It's not the build of his receivers, it's him.

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[BirdGangThing]

is murray our yellow cardinal - hell no - he's just another purple cardinal - but he's better than your average red

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don’t have any rhyme or reason for it, but I have a feeling Kyler is going to be a top tier QB this year.

If he doesn’t do it this year, he never will.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I don’t have any rhyme or reason for it, but I have a feeling Kyler is going to be a top tier QB this year.

If he doesn’t do it this year, he never will.

Could just be indigestion.

 

[oaken1]

It's not WR's. He has one of the worst catchable ball rates in the league and one of the worst EPA's. This past year he had a 33% comp rate on balls over 20 yards. If there are stats for interceptions on deep balls I'd imagine Kylers is very poor too.

They aren't throwing deep because they are managing it out of his game.

I don't know what happened, 2019 and 2020 he was great. He was great with Pharaoh Cooper, Christian Kirk and the dying embers of Larry Fitzgerald. It's not the build of his receivers, it's him.

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Kyler hit the gym back then and bulked up. The extra beef destroyed his down field accuracy.
He reduced the beef while he was recovering from the knee but still hasn't regained his touch.

Imo it's just a matter of reps. So he gets used to throwing deep again.

 

[blindseyed]

I don’t have any rhyme or reason for it, but I have a feeling Kyler is going to be a top tier QB this year.

If he doesn’t do it this year, he never will.

Said in every off season thread for the past 4 years lol

 

[Ronin]

Cardinals QB Kyler Murray will face enormous pressure in 2025

The Arizona Cardinals’ offseason maneuvers sent several strong messages about the 2025 season. 1) We need to improve our defense. The action: Arizona used its f

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[Stout]

Cardinals QB Kyler Murray will face enormous pressure in 2025

The Arizona Cardinals’ offseason maneuvers sent several strong messages about the 2025 season. 1) We need to improve our defense. The action: Arizona used its f

raisingzona.com

Where have we heard that before?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I don’t have any rhyme or reason for it, but I have a feeling Kyler is going to be a top tier QB this year.

If he doesn’t do it this year, he never will.

Year 8 is always when the best QB's break out!

 

[Ronin]

Cardinal's Kyler Murray 'yet to prove' passing ability according to recent QB ranking | Sporting News

CBS Sports' recent NFL quarterback power rankings have Arizona Cardinals star Kyler Murray towards the bottom half of the league, citing struggles with passing ability

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