Is it time to call Cooper a bust?

[Cbus cardsfan]

We're approaching the half way mark of the season and Cooper still can't get on the field over Larsen. That's pretty bad. The Cards saying they don't want to mess with the chemistry is pure BS as well. If he was better, he'd be playing. I had high hopes for him and all the draft reports were glowing.

However, a broken leg and 40 extra pounds tends to take his away his best attribute, his athleticism. The broken leg is not his fault. The 40 pounds is. Alright, I'm guessing on the 40 pounds(could be more for all I know), but he is significantly fatter than he was last year.

There has been enough time to recover from the break and he should at least be in shape to play. I remember Whiz holding Dan Williams because he was overweight by a pound, or so. I think the reason Cooper isn't playing is because the staff deems him fat and out of shape.

I sure hope the Cards didn't waste a 1st round pick on the next Elton Brown because, to this point, it sure looks like they did.

 

[Garthshort]

It's not just chemistry. Remember the OL was able to open up holes for 38 rushing yards. So there's that.

 

[az jam]

Doesn't look good but still to early to call him a bust.

 

[BigRedRage]

no

 

[Russ Smith]

I mentioned that to someone in a PM yesterday, i'm starting to get very nervous that he's either not that good or he's unable to get out of Arians' doghouse and if it's either one, that's not good.

I'm still hopeful, the kid has talent, but I was quite surprised he didn't even play.

 

[D-Dogg]

Not yet. At some point he'll hit the field and we'll know. If he doesn't ever play for us then absolutely, but right now it's not a bust pick just a pick in danger of becoming a bust.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Dude should be starting and be a mainstay for the next decade for where he was picked. If he turns out to be just average, so be it, but he should be on the field sooner rather than later.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Give me a B, Give me a U..........

He gets two more chances, IMO.

 

[TJ]

Not yet. At some point he'll hit the field and we'll know. If he doesn't ever play for us then absolutely, but right now it's not a bust pick just a pick in danger of becoming a bust.

Exactly.

It might take until next year, but eventually, he'll be starting, and then we'll know who cooper is.

 

[kerouac9]

Exactly.

It might take until next year, but eventually, he'll be starting, and then we'll know who cooper is.

Can't someone who never sees the field be a bust? Cody Brown, for example? Buster Davis? A.J. Jenkins?

Of course, you're a guy who refuses to fess up to Ryan Williams being a bust.

I think that a year and a half of not playing is enough for someone to be considered a disappointment. Two years of not playing, or playing some but playing poorly, should start to put you into the bust category.

 

[Chopper0080]

Can't someone who never sees the field be a bust? Cody Brown, for example? Buster Davis? A.J. Jenkins?

Of course, you're a guy who refuses to fess up to Ryan Williams being a bust.

I think that a year and a half of not playing is enough for someone to be considered a disappointment. Two years of not playing, or playing some but playing poorly, should start to put you into the bust category.

First off...yes.

Secondly, I will issue my judgement after game 4 next year, unless Cooper gets injured in that timeframe. The reason I give him that time is that he had an offseason, was in shape, looked good, and got hurt. Now, he has had an offseason rehabbing, is out of shape, looks poor, and is sitting. I'm willing to give him one more offseason to get himself in shape, but his margin for error is decreasing every week.

 

[Shane]

He's absolutely a bust to this point....

 

[Finito]

If your body fails you that's one thing. I don't consider Andre Wadsworth a bust it's not like he chose to blow out both his knees that's tragic I feel bad for a guy like that.

Now Cooper had an injury but by all accounts he's fine I look at guys like Dockett and Mathuie and see how much work they put in and look at Cooper like really? Honestly I just see a nice kid who doesn't love football the way some others do I don't see that drive in him. All kinds of talent no heart

 

[don7031]

He's making Tony Mandarich look good.

There needs to be some accountability in the personnel department for wasting the 7th overall pick in the draft on a guy who is content to be fat and out of shape sitting on the bench.

 

[TJ]

Can't someone who never sees the field be a bust? Cody Brown, for example? Buster Davis? A.J. Jenkins?



Of course, you're a guy who refuses to fess up to Ryan Williams being a bust.


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What does Ryan Williams have to do with anything? Or are you just trolling (again) because you can't think of an intelligent response?

 

[kerouac9]

What does Ryan Williams have to do with anything? Or are you just trolling (again) because you can't think of an intelligent response?

I guess it could look like that if you delete the actual response.

Is Ryan Williams a bust? He was a very high second-round pick who never (really) played. Buster Davis and Cody Brown never played a regular-season down for the Cards, and I don't think A.J. Jenkins ever played a regular-season down for the 49ers.

The assertion that you agreed with was this:

At some point he'll hit the field and we'll know.

That and your assertion that he'll be starting next season (an assertion made by others like CBus re: Earl Watford). So, if he's not starting next season, can people start considering him a bust then?

Why are you so much more interested in going down a teleological rabbit hole than answering a simple question about what your opinion is?

 

[jmt]

He's absolutely a bust to this point....

Exactly. Drafted # 1 and never plays is a bust - whatever the reasons.

 

[TJ]

I guess it could look like that if you delete the actual response.



Is Ryan Williams a bust? He was a very high second-round pick who never (really) played. Buster Davis and Cody Brown never played a regular-season down for the Cards, and I don't think A.J. Jenkins ever played a regular-season down for the 49ers.



The assertion that you agreed with was this:







That and your assertion that he'll be starting next season (an assertion made by others like CBus re: Earl Watford). So, if he's not starting next season, can people start considering him a bust then?



Why are you so much more interested in going down a teleological rabbit hole than answering a simple question about what your opinion is?

I stopped reading after the Ryan Williams nonsense. When you learn to make salient points in lieu trolling, I'll entertain your discussion.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Yes…It may be due to injury, but still a bust.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

To me, he looks like a guy who is content by simply getting his rookie signing bonus.

 

[kerouac9]

He's making Tony Mandarich look good.

There needs to be some accountability in the personnel department for wasting the 7th overall pick in the draft on a guy who is content to be fat and out of shape sitting on the bench.

I don't believe that this is fair.

The Cards used the right process in selecting Jonathan Cooper. They didn't see better available talent that was as good a scheme fit as Cooper was. Cooper hadn't shown (to anyone's knowledge) the potential to put on weight or not work through hardship.

As I said, I think it's fair to say that Cooper has been a disappointment. At this point in his career, I think we should have expected a Cooper who was healthy through 2013 to be establishing himself as a Pro Bowl caliber offensive lineman.

I don't know what it means to be a "bust" 1.25 seasons into your career. As I understand it, once you bust, you can't buy your way back into a hand of blackjack.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

The Cards used the right process in selecting Jonathan Cooper. They didn't see better available talent that was as good a scheme fit as Cooper was. Cooper hadn't shown (to anyone's knowledge) the potential to put on weight or not work through hardship.

As I said, I think it's fair to say that Cooper has been a disappointment. At this point in his career, I think we should have expected a Cooper who was healthy through 2013 to be establishing himself as a Pro Bowl caliber offensive lineman.

I don't know what it means to be a "bust" 1.25 seasons into your career. As I understand it, once you bust, you can't buy your way back into a hand of blackjack.

This sums it up pretty well. Big disappointment so far.

 

[Shane]

The dude broke an ankle well over a year ago... He has been through training camp and still can't get on the field... He's healthy enough to play yet can't unseat either guard in front of him one of which was an UDFA and he is the #7 pick overall in round 1... He's making huge money!!!! He put on way to much weight which shows an extreme lack of discipline... At this point he's a bust any way you slice it... Maybe he will turn it around but I won't bet on it.

 

[BW52]

We're approaching the half way mark of the season and Cooper still can't get on the field over Larsen. That's pretty bad. The Cards saying they don't want to mess with the chemistry is pure BS as well. If he was better, he'd be playing. I had high hopes for him and all the draft reports were glowing.

However, a broken leg and 40 extra pounds tends to take his away his best attribute, his athleticism. The broken leg is not his fault. The 40 pounds is. Alright, I'm guessing on the 40 pounds(could be more for all I know), but he is significantly fatter than he was last year.

There has been enough time to recover from the break and he should at least be in shape to play. I remember Whiz holding Dan Williams because he was overweight by a pound, or so. I think the reason Cooper isn't playing is because the staff deems him fat and out of shape.

I sure hope the Cards didn't waste a 1st round pick on the next Elton Brown because, to this point, it sure looks like they did.

too early to make that call.

 

[D-Dogg]

Can't someone who never sees the field be a bust? Cody Brown, for example? Buster Davis? A.J. Jenkins?

Of course, you're a guy who refuses to fess up to Ryan Williams being a bust.

I think that a year and a half of not playing is enough for someone to be considered a disappointment. Two years of not playing, or playing some but playing poorly, should start to put you into the bust category.

While I agree overall, with an injury causing the year out I would give the benefit of the doubt. If he is not the unquestionable starter next season, then hes a MFB. If he is the starter and plays average, I would also say bust. We didn't draft him high in the first to be an average guard, we drafted him to dominate the LOS and pull like a monster.

Definitely disappointing right now but an injury and struggle to return to the field makes him a question mark at this point but not yet a bust, IMO.