Discussion in 'Arizona Cardinals' started by Red Bird, Mar 2, 2021.
He’s definitely top 5.
Yup running go routes and refusing to do anything else.
like I said can’t praise one and hate the other.
That’s like ripping MJ for not shooting a lot of 3’s. Why would the best WR in the league change his game?
I have him 3rd, but objectively could be anywhere between 2 and 4.
no one is ripping him. He’s amazing at what he does but he’s purely a finesse WR and doesn’t do all the other things the other 3 Rice, T.O and Fitz did. Like go over the middle, block, support the run heck even fight for extra yards.
I’m not ripping him at all. I except him for who he is, but I just think it’s funny to see guys hush over Moss a player who avoided contact at all cost and even quit at times but complain about how Peterson isn’t physical enough
just find it funny.
I have him at 2. Leadership, coachability, and high character separate him from the crowd of WR's not named Rice.
I actually agree with you... But a WRs job isn’t to go make a tackle and make important defensive stops regularly if necessary.
Trying to compare Moss to Peterson is futile from the get go.
His 6-year peak literally came right before the 04’ illegal contact rule was implemented where defenders could still be physical with pass catchers. Just a weird nitpick.
I don't think it really matters.
He is 2nd in catches.
Well..... Rice won a SB MVP so it could be subjective but i do know this.
I think Larry's run to the SB is the stuff of legends. Rice never propelled his team like that. All of the TD's, catches, and insane plays.
then you have the other playoff games like Green Bay. The Palmer catch and run then the shovel pass for the win in OT. When it clearly looked like we were about to lose.
I think that if you look at it subjectively, no other WR had as profound an impact on a teams run to the Super Bowl as Fitz had that year. And his clutch, timeless level plays separate him.
But I'm a massive homer.
As far as the All-Pro's thing. Moss was a monster, I get it. So was T.O. I can't fault the arguments.
What I can say is he was a perennial Pro-Bowler. With crappier QB's throwing to him more often. Had higher highs when it mattered most in the playoffs. Out lasted all of them, and continued to be play at high levels. And the Man of the Year award matters as well. TO And Moss were never MOTY candidates, or leaders in the locker room at any point.
The case is strong. But I'm going with my guy because he has never embarrassed us, the shield, the team, or the fans. Plus.... His stats are (in totality) much better.
Did you ever see Moss hustle a ball to the LOS so another play could be run? Larry did that at least twice last season alone.
That team player/situational awareness along with his skills, stats, consistency, attitude, and heart puts Larry as a solid #2 at worst.
Whats more important? 35 more TDs over a career in 3 less seasons some that were clutch... Or jogging/hustling the ball back to the line of scrimmage here and there over a season? Honest question. I’m not sure how you quantify the massive TD production over your point?
1,000 times this. Exactly how I feel about Fitz & the rankings.
TD's are dependent on more than just the receiver. Two seasons just with Brady in New England - Brady threw 89 touchdowns, of which 36 were to Moss - so a LOT of people were catching touchdowns in NE those years.
He also benefited from a pass-first Minnesota offense with Culpepper (129 touchdowns, 65 to Moss).
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