hoops.ws draft order

[elindholm]

Hello all,

Some of the postseason awards in the hoops.ws fantasy league have to do with draft picks. The order available on our league site is wrong, for reasons I explained in a post there. The correct order is posted here.

* = drafted by a bot for the Tucson team, which is why the picks make no sense

(The edits attempt to fix the formatting, which got screwed up somehow. For some reason it converts the letter between F and H into an asterisk.)

Rounds 1-3

1 pass
2 T Duncan
3 A Iverson
4 T McGrady
5 D Nowitzki
6 K Garnett
7 S O’Neal
8 E Brand
9 P Pierce
10 C Webber
11 B Davis
12 K Bryant
13 J Kidd
14 S Marion
15 S Francis
16 Gary Payton
17 J O’Neal
18 V Carter
19 B Wallace
20 M Finley
21 K Martin
22 D Mutombo
23 P Gasol
24 R Wallace
25 K Malone
26 R Allen
27 S Marbury
28 A Walker
29 Grant Hill
30 M Bibby
31 A Miller
32 pass
33 R Lewis
34 S Nash
35 V Divac
36 J Mashburn
37 S Abdur-Rahim
38 pass
39 P Stojakovic
40 J Rose
41 M Jordan
42 S Cassell
43 C Mobley
44 J Stackhouse
45 J Howard
46 C Robinson
47 J Terry
48 E Jones

 

[elindholm]

Rounds 4-6

49 A Jamison
50 Glenn Robinson
51 D Gooden
52 E Campbell
53 M Olowokandi
54 R LaFrentz
55 B Miller
56 J Richardson
57 T Ratliff
58 R Hamilton
59 pass
60 R Jefferson
61 L Odom
62 E Griffin
63 D Miles
64 W Szczerbiak
65 R Miller
66 E Curry
67 Z Ilgauskas
68 K Van Horn
69 A Davis
70 B Wells
71 A Stoudemire
72 D Fortson
73 K Thomas NYK
74 J Stockton
75 D George
76 L Sprewell
77 C Billups
78 M Camby
79 Yao M
80* A Mourning
81* D Robinson
82 K Brown
83 T MacCulloch
84 J Williams MEM
85 J Williams CHI
86 T Parker
87 M Redd
88 C Butler
89 M Miller
90 B Barry
91 L Wright
92 Q Richardson
93 T Chandler
94 A Houston
95 L Hughes
96 D Mason

 

[elindholm]

Rounds 7-9

97 N Van Exel
98 S Battier
99 H Turkoglu
100 A Kirilenko
101 S Swift
102 J Johnson
103 pass
104 R Davis
105 D Marshall
106 C Weatherspoon
107 R Rogers
108 Gilbert Arenas
109 B Grant
110 V Potapenko
111 P Garrity
112 J Posey
113 V Baker
114 A Harrington
115 M Jackson MIN
116 T Thomas
117 K Thomas HOU
118 V Radmanovic
119 L Murray
120 J Magloire
121 D Armstrong
122 pass
123 C Williamson
124 N Mohammed
125 A Hardaway
126 J Tinsley
127 D Anderson
128 K Clark
129 K Kittles
130 R Artest
131 D Wagner
132 D Davis
133 C Maggette
134 M Peterson
135 D Christie
136* M Norris
137 S Kemp
138 A McKie
139 T Brandon
140 D Coleman
141 T Delk
142 M Jackson UTA
143 M Rose
144 M Dunleavy

 

[elindholm]

Rounds 10-12

145 D Wesley
146 B Jackson
147 T Kukoc
148 M Harpring
149 B Haywood
150 S Pippen
151 R Nesterovic
152 D Fisher
153* H Davis
154 J Smith
155 pass
156 R Mercer
157 S Bradley
158 J Jones
159 A Croshere
160 T Gugliotta
161 T Battie
162 A Williams TOR
163 P Drobnjak
164 pass
165 D Stoudamire
166 P Brown
167 C Alexander
168 R White
169 N Tskitishvili
170 E House
171 E Johnson MIL
172 T Murphy
173 A Williams NJN
174 C Ward
175 J Tsakalidis
176 E Snow
177 S Walker
178 S Smith
179 R Patterson
180 W Person
181 J Crawford
182 L Nailon
183 J Bender
184 O Harrington
185 J McInnis
186 B Russell
187 T Best
188 T Hudson
189* P Brezec
190 pass
191 A Mason
192 M Dickerson

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Nice Picks...

7 Shaq (Should be #1 every year)
12 Kobe
27 Marbury (pat myself on the back)
49 Antwan Jamison
67 Ilgauskas-big gamble that paid off
71 Amare Thought he was high...but what a season
76 Sprewell Lasted too long
94 Allen Houston Obviously we all hate the Knicks
104 Ricky Davis-Who Knew??
105 Donyell Marshall Ugh...I passed on him for Tyson Chandler
108 Gilbert Arenas Huge Steal
130 Ron Artest Nice Player but a jerk
143 Jalen Rose Was I drunk??


My vote for best picks-

#1 Gilbert Arenas at 108.
#2 Ron Artest
#3 Marbury-best PG and he rules
#4 Donyell Marshall A rebounding machine
#5 Jalen Rose

 

[elindholm]

These were my votes:

1. Bobby Jackson at #146. Yes, he missed some games due to injury, but the number of guards in the league who play 30+ minutes and are at better than 2.1 fppm is very, very small.

2. Donyell Marshall at #105. I thought about taking him, but I thought his production would trail off once his minutes went up. I was wrong.

3. Troy Murphy at #172. An eleventh-round pick? Murphy would be the #2 forward for a lot of teams in the league.

Other good picks:

Andrei Kirilenko at #100 -- On my team, but I didn't draft him. Was incredible in the first half of the season, even though he has cooled off now.

Ricky Davis at #104 -- #33 in the league in scoring. Not bad!

Gilbert Arenas at #108 -- Yep, that was a steal, all right.

Troy Hudson at #188 -- Hey, he's the best guard on a division champion (although, like Kirilenko, I didn't draft him). That's pretty impressive.

(Edit: It turns out Hudson isn't on a division champion team after all. I had calculated that I narrowly won Game 63, but apparently I was off just a few points. So I lose the division on the average-score tiebreaker. :-( )

 

[hitman_6t9]

Jalen Rose wasn't actually #143

He was #40

I don't know why they have him at #143 aswell

 

[elindholm]

Yes, #40 is correct. I posted a message to the site explaining where this error comes from.

#143 is Malik Rose. Sorry about that.

 

[slinslin]

Michael Jordan at #41 was pretty much a steal, but Donyell Marshall has to be the steal of the draft.

He is almost averaging 2.3fppm and 70fppg

For a good part of the season those stats were better than Chris Webber.

In Fact the top players in fantasy points ranked by their productivity are

1. Shaq 2.94 #7
2. KG 2.85 #6
3. Duncan 2.83 #2
4. TMac 2.81 #4
5. Cwebb 2.69 #10
6. Kobe 2.68 #12
7. Nowitzki 2.58 #5
8. Kidd 2.43 #13
9. Pierce 2.41 #9
10. Malone 2.36 #25
11. JO'Neal 2.34 #17
12. Brand 2.29 #8
13. Gasol 2.28 #23
14. Marshall 2.28 #106

Some of the worst picks in my opinion were Baron Davis at #11, Grant Hill at #10.

Troy Murphy is the 2nd best pick in my opinion. He ranks very high in fppm as well and way only a #172 pick and would probably not even been drafted if I didn't take the chance.

#3 is Arenas in my opinion. He is 0.04 better than Murphy is effectiveness but was also picked 64 slots higher.


The best pickup HAS to be Matt Harpring others who deserve mentioning would be Carlos Boozer and Larry Hughes (was I drunk when I dropped him with my guard problems? Ever since I dropped him his numbers got better)

6th Man Award I voted for Amare Stoudemire, Michael Redd and Troy Murphy.

MVP - Shaq, Duncan and Webber. Initially I voted for KG,TMac but remember their teams did not even make the playoffs.

 

[elindholm]

1. Shaq 2.94 #7
2. KG 2.85 #6
3. Duncan 2.83 #2
4. TMac 2.81 #4
5. Cwebb 2.69 #10
6. Kobe 2.68 #12
7. Nowitzki 2.58 #5
8. Kidd 2.43 #13
9. Pierce 2.41 #9
10. Malone 2.36 #25
11. JO'Neal 2.34 #17
12. Brand 2.29 #8
13. Gasol 2.28 #23
14. Marshall 2.28 #106


I accept this list, slinslin, but there are two issues you are overlooking:

1. Your cutoff for points per game is arbitrary. You leave out Sabonis and Fizer (pre-injury) because they don't play enough minutes. That makes sense, but Marshall's minutes are on the low side also. I'd rather have Shawn Marion than Marshall, because Marion gives you so many minutes that you don't have to worry so much about how productive the your bench is. If you have Marshall plus a 2.0-fppm player for 11 minutes, that's worse than Marion.

2. It's much easier to score big points at C or F than it is at *. So, when comparing players, the question should not be how good they are in general, but how good are they compared to other players [/i]at the same position? [/i]For this reason I think Nash is clearly more valuable than Marshall, because it is so difficult to find high-scoring Gs.

I do agree that Marshall was the best overall steal of the draft. But I think you rate him too highly. He is very good, but not quite so great as you think.

I agree that Harpring was the best FA pickup. Foyle has also been very good. He is at about 2.0 fppm since the beginning of the season (he was about 1.7 after the first month or so and now is at 1.92). He plays more minutes than Boozer.

 

[slinslin]

Marshall plays 30mpg

Fizer played only 21mpg and appeared only in 38 games, he wasn't even drafted I think.

Sabonis plays only 15mpg

Besides that, like you said it is easier to put up good numbers at the F spots, there is way more depth and that is why it is more important to have a forward who averages a better fppm. It is easy to fill the other couple of minutes at forward.

 

[slinslin]

PS: Is anyone paying attention to the yahoo league??

The playoffs are about to start and it is some guy called mechimusprime and myself fighting the top spots. It just seems that there are only 4-5 teams actively participating.