For Those Questioning Reiman’s Value
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idk homie - he was below .500 in both seasons
he's still upset lol but he just barely found out preseason matters - so understandable
kerouac9
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You should also be upset about being served three straight execrable to middling seasons.
nah im used to that lol
PACardsFan
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And 95% of the QB’s in the NFL would have been under .500 with what Murray had to work with. The plan created by Bidwill, Monti, and JG is not rocket science. It’s a rebuild designed to create sustained success, and was definitely not a rebuild to gain immediate success. There’s a huge difference, and MB thoroughly explained it when he hired Monti.
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I can agree that Kyler wouldn't have been expected to be the guy we need him to be based on how the rebuild went/was going. That's fair. I didn't expect him to be all-world last year. Unfortunately, when the D stepped up way above its talent level, and Kyler didn't have to do a whole heck of a lot with a strong run game to support him, he couldn't elevate. Again. That's a bad sign.
you kinda lost me in the beginning with the 95% of qbs in the nfl thing
should've been closer to 60% because kyler is only better than about 60% of the qbs in the nfl
PACardsFan
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Our D may have played above its talent level at times, but it still couldn’t stop the run (which cut into our offense not being on the field), it couldn’t put pressure on opposing QB’s so we couldn’t get off the field on 3rd down, and it was near the bottom of the league in creating turnovers, which led to almost no short fields for our offense. Look at all our losses.
@BUF 34-28 (the D was OK in the 1st half because Murray kept us on field. Once Williams went down with us up 17-3, the Bills abused Beachum the rest of the way. MHJ was clueless in the opener & our D was worn down in the 2nd half.
Vs DET 20-13. Give the D their due here, but Detroit eventually ran the ball down our throats. Detroit’s D was 100% healthy & they dominated us at the LOS.
WAS 42-14. There was nothing that Murray could have done in this game to make a difference. We actually had a beautiful opening drive & then our D got crushed .
GB 34-13. Pretty much the same game as Washington. We flat out did not have enough talent on either side of ball.
SEA 16-6. Defense definitely played well most of this game. All credit for this win was the SEA defense. We couldn’t run the ball AT ALL, which made us one dimensional & the pressure they put on Murray left us talking to ourselves.
MINN 23-22. Defense and offense played well & we should have won. The MN blitz package eventually wore down our OL & our D ran out of smoke and mirrors in the 2nd half.
SEA 30-18. Seattle D was just as dominant as they were in game 1. Our D couldn’t say the same. Charbonnet ran all over us & we lost the time of possession battle. We couldn’t run have played Seattle 5 times last year & lost every time. Our OL got abused in both games.
CAR 36-30. Conner, Benson, Wilson, and Johnson all out & the offense still put up 30. D was bad as Hubbard ran for like 200 yards
LAR 13-9. Defense played their best game in a meaningless game. Could have gone either way.
The lack of context that you include in your opinions is absolutely astounding. Literally "scroll right past and don't even read" level of posts out of you.
When we have a winning record this year you better be shouting Monti's name from the rooftops. Begging for extension. Getting a jersey with his name.
Anyways, back to Tip Reiman.... I think by the 2nd half of the year, the pregame shows will be highlighting his blocking ability as a big reason for the success of JC and Benson. I anticipate we'll have another year as one of the top run offenses in the NFL.
Stout
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Wow, literally nothing you wrote put any blame on Kyler. I am astonished, I say. Astonished!
There are certainly a few games he wasn't the problem, and he did very well in the Buffalo game. Look back at a lot of those losing scores and the offensive output, though, and try to tell me, with a straight face, Kyler bears no blame. He's the most important position on the team, but yeah, it's always the D's fault, or the OL's fault, or the fates conspiring against him, or whatever. Never poor Kyler's fault!
So much fun anticipating these predictable excuses. Never gets old lol
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You people turn every thread into a K1 thread.
PACardsFan
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It’s unbelievable to me that anyone who watches this team play every week would say that in only a “few” games that Kyler wasn’t the reason why we lost. Really? I just went through all our losses last year, and it was obvious and fully substantiated that there are multiple contributing factors OUTSIDE of Murray’s play that contributed to our losses. There are 22 men on the field at all times, and yet the Murray haters on this board want to always point the finger of blame to him. At best, we had average talent on the roster last year, and in some rooms, we had well below average talent. To think that even a very good QB can overcome that is shortsighted. In its history, the NFL is littered with some very good QB’s who just couldn’t overcome the faults of their franchises. Murray may still be able to overcome the Bidwill curse, but it won’t be easy. Time will tell.
Stout
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1--Our offense was not good enough in a fair number of losses.
2--The QB is the most important position on the offense, if not the team.
3--We had a strong run game to support our QB last year.
It's pretty straightforward.
Stout
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Stop popping up everywhere insisting Kyler is generational and it's all the team's fault he isn't the bestest and turning everything into a Kyler thread, then.
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How does a Tip Reiman thread about his blocking value turns into a Kyler thread
PACardsFan
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What’s straightforward is that you apparently don’t watch much Cardinal football. We may have had a strong running game in our wins, but as I correctly stated, outside of Murray’s own legs, our running game stunk in our losses to the better teams. When you’re one dimensional against playoff teams, things are not going to pan out well for you. And the D was bad in most of those losses also: Buffalo, Detroit, GB, 2nd Seattle game, Washington, Carolina, and Minnesota.
In the first SEA loss 16-6, Conner ran for 8 yards & the team totaled 49
The 2nd SEA LOSS 30-18, their back up Charbonnet ran for 140 & they were close to 200 as a team. Conner ran for 90, but it was our defense’s inability to get off the field that doomed us.
Commanders ran for over 200 yards & put up 40+ points on our D
BUF held Conner to 50 in the opening loss & Murray was our leading rusher. Our D never stopped Buffalo from the middle of the 2nd quarter on. I know that because I was there.
Detroit ran for over 200 yards on us, while holding everyone BUT Murray to 32 yards. Murray led the team with 45 yards.
When we lost to CAR, Conner was out the entire 2nd half after running for 117 in the 1st half. Benson was out the whole game.
The loss to the LAR, we were without both Conner & Benson.
We couldn’t run on the Packers as Conner had 24 yards rushing & they scored at will against our D.
That’s 8 of our 9 losses where either of running game was pathetic or our run D was pathetic.
The MN game could have gone either way as we did outplay them. A miscalled penalty against Reiman cost us that game. So, bottom line, Murray was nowhere REMOTELY the culprit last year. But, you keep trying to sell a bs narrative that he was.
Stout
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Lord, are you absurdly arrogant, thinking you are the font of all Cardinal football wisdom lol What you are, in effect, saying is that the team would have been 16-1 had the team not let poor Kyler down. What you are literally saying is Kyler only had a hand in ONE of the loses. Yeah, PA, who doesn't watch much Cardinal football? lol
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Because some fans can’t deal with the fact MO hasn’t done his job building this team to win.
you kinda come off as a shrine guy - like you might have a big portrait of kyler murray (definitely not in a cardinals jersey) - probably surrounded by candles and some awesome autographed items from ebay - jerseys - gloves - maybe some ill-gotten momentos too - bag of his hair - who knows
PACardsFan
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All I did was provide evidence that the nonsense you spew about Murray holding this team back is bs. It’s just exhausting listening to the Murray bashers creating a narrative that’s nonsense. The facts just don’t support what the Murray haters preach. And for the record, 16-1 was never uttered by me. 10-7 last year was more realistic.
I really thought we were gonna hit 10-7 last season.
Just like I am certain we hit 12-5 this season...although my certainty was shaken by Parsons going to the Packers...now that game is up in the air.
Te is Kyler’s best friend. It means he doesn’t have to throw it far and he can get rid of it quickly. This offense is counting on yac. McBride is going to flourish more so than MHJ because of Kyler’s limitations to stand in the pocket and wait for deep routes to happen, unless it’s off a scramble.
Unfortunately Kyler touches the ball every play which increases the chances of coming up short, which he does too often.
It’s just confirmation bias. Kyler throws a bad pick in a loss and the loss becomes on him instead of the defense giving up 36 points to the 4th worst offense in the league.l
There is a lot to blame Kyler for, but “crediting” for every loss is a joke.
