For Those Questioning Reiman’s Value

[Harry]

In Gannon’s presser for Week 2 he made it clear Reiman was a key part of the running game. He can be deployed in a number of patterns to take out specific defenders. His flexibility is outstanding. Gannon also said the QBs are fine with throwing to him, they just don’t do it often because that’s not his primary role.

 

[football karma]

my man Theo Mackie posted a cut up of Reiman run blocking

the guy gets after it to the whistle.

I also liked when he caught a 5 yard dump off, ran over the defender and the guy had to leave the game.

let DBs look at that on film

 

[Goldfield]

I’m a big fan

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

lotta folks trashed the tip pick (specially last year) - i was thinking fullback when we drafted him - loving the murderousness - i don't need him to catch balls just keep making pancakes - instead of trying to get him the ball on the regular design some super cool plays (that look like our other commonly used formations) surprise defenses on 3rd downs and in the red zone

 

[Zeem_Freeze]

my man Theo Mackie posted a cut up of Reiman run blocking

the guy gets after it to the whistle.

I also liked when he caught a 5 yard dump off, ran over the defender and the guy had to leave the game.

let DBs look at that on film

He absolutely pancaked that DT on that block where they sent him in motion... nasty trap run design out of Petzing.

And on that reception where he ran over the defender, that was a linebacker too! DBs are not going to want a piece of him... he needs to learn to hurdle from Trey.

 

[CardNots]

I’m pretty sure Tip will be utilized as a sneaky pass catching option when it’s apparent to the defense we will be running. The guy can catch the pigskin.

 

[oaken1]

He absolutely pancaked that DT on that block where they sent him in motion... nasty trap run design out of Petzing.

And on that reception where he ran over the defender, that was a linebacker too! DBs are not going to want a piece of him... he needs to learn to hurdle from Trey.

Oh no he doesnt. In fact, McBride needs to stop that hurdling crap too. It looks cool, its exciting,,,yippeee...but it exposes him to serious injury.
Its bad enough Trey does it. We certainly should not be encouraging Tip to do it as well.

 

[oaken1]

I’m pretty sure Tip will be utilized as a sneaky pass catching option when it’s apparent to the defense we will be running. The guy can catch the pigskin.

PA Conner up the middle on third and two...hit Tip over the top 5 yards deep,...right behind the linebackerrs...let him stiff arrm his way through some DB's

 

[RON_IN_OC]

With Trey and Tip, the Cards have a pair of TEs similar to the Novacek and Awalt days.

 

[Cheesebeef]

With Trey and Tip, the Cards have a pair of TEs similar to the Novacek and Awalt days.

Tip hasnt shown anywhere near the pass catching ability that Awalt had, but is a better blocker.

 

[kerouac9]

He’s either gotta be a better blocker than giving snaps to a 3rd or fourth OT or he has to occasionally run credible routes.

I’d rather give developmental snaps to Conner or whomever on the edge than play a TE you can’t pass to.

 

[oaken1]

Tip hasnt shown anywhere near the pass catching ability that Awalt had, but is a better blocker.

That's a Turtle and the Soup situation.
Tip caught everything thrown his way...and was often open when kyler went elsewhere....his catches were a small sample size...like 6/7 or something...but his lack of stats wasn't on him.
More, offensive design and Kylers trust issues imo...
He showed the talent in college too...but again, the offense just wasn't designed to utilize him.

I expect we will see his numbers jump this season.
Not dramatically unless our entire offense changes. But maybe 30 catches?

It would be sweet to run 22 personnel and still have 5 legit pass catchers on the field.
Find Tip being covered by a safety...lol...dude is gonna get charges filed against him

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That's a Turtle and the Soup situation.
Tip caught everything thrown his way...and was often open when kyler went elsewhere....his catches were a small sample size...like 6/7 or something...but his lack of stats wasn't on him.
More, offensive design and Kylers trust issues imo...
He showed the talent in college too...but again, the offense just wasn't designed to utilize him.

I expect we will see his numbers jump this season.
Not dramatically unless our entire offense changes. But maybe 30 catches?

It would be sweet to run 22 personnel and still have 5 legit pass catchers on the field.
Find Tip being covered by a safety...lol...dude is gonna get charges filed against him

6 to 30 isn’t dramatic?!?

 

[SECTION 11]

Dude seems to catch anything thrown to him. I think the notion that he doesn’t have hands is overblown.

 

[oaken1]

6 to 30 isn’t dramatic?!?

You tell me man. I really aint in tune with drama...but it doesnt seem drastic for a second year jump.
but it would signal a change in the offense.... my thinking is, the coaches need to see what he can handle...just in case Trey goes down for an extended period. They know what Higgybear can do catching the ball but they also know his blocking is better suited for the edges instead of inline...they need to know if the play calling has to change drastically if Trey gets hurt and the only way to know that is to bump Tips role and see what he does with it.

 

[Harry]

My draft review on this board, “The vast majority missed a portion of the value of Reiman. It’s true he’s primarily a blocking TE (with attitude). However, this is where scouting comes in. Illinois’ offense was based on running the ball. Reiman was rarely the target of a pass. However, when he was, he often made the most of the opportunity. He showed good hands and was a load to bring down.”

 

[BACH]

He’s either gotta be a better blocker than giving snaps to a 3rd or fourth OT or he has to occasionally run credible routes.

I’d rather give developmental snaps to Conner or whomever on the edge than play a TE you can’t pass to.

Three statements in this post. All three show a complete lack of understanding for this aspect of the game.

He’s either gotta be a better blocker than giving snaps to a 3rd or fourth OT

Better than what exactly?? How many blocks is Reiman missing since you believe he can be replaced with a back-up OT and get better results?

You clearly do not understand blocking if you think it's the same type of blocks. OL typically engage the block on the line and follow through. OL are rarely used in open space where they have to engage the block in space and 99% of the time it's as a lead where the defender has to adjust for the RB - not the blocker.

To engage a block in open space, where the defender has to adjust for you and not the ball carrier is very hard and very very few OL can do that successfully on an ongoing basis. They are simply not athletic enough to do that. We are talking perhaps 15-25 OL players and all upper echelon (Froholdt is arguably the best interior in the NFL).

I would also like to see a back-up OT do the pre-snap motions as quick and smooth. Hint. They can't.

he has to occasionally run credible routes.

A credible route is any route that the defense has to adjust for. Defenses adjusted big time for Reiman as he was used as a decoy to open the field over the middle. One of the keys for our best passing game vs. Dolphins was due to Reiman, because the were scared shitless of him. Why? Because Petzing had showed these 2 yards out for Reiman, where he is the dump-off or lead blocker on Kyler's run-pass option plays. He runs credible routes. He catches everything throw his way. Is it routes down the field - no last season. And it just rarely happens that he sees a ball throw his way. That is on Kyler and Petzing - not Reiman.

I’d rather give developmental snaps to Conner or whomever on the edge than play a TE you can’t pass to.

These are not developmental snaps. It's not the same blocks.
You are delusional if you think any OL can just do this.
You are delusional to think a 3rd string G like Conner can do this.

FYI. Pff run-blocking grades from the game.

Reiman - 78.5 (Lower pro-bowl level) on very difficult blocks against Chiefs 1st team
Conner - 66.2 (Low quality starter) on reletive much easier blocks against Chiefs 2nd and 3rd stringers.

 

[PDXChris]

6 to 30 isn’t dramatic?!?

Trey went from 29 to 81 to 111. I think Tip can go from 6 to 25 if he is part of passing part of the passing game.

 

[kerouac9]

Tip Reiman had 6 receptions on 7 targets for 37 yards and one first down. His ADoT was 1.7.

He played 450 offensive snaps and ran 103 routes.

Elijah Higgins played 411 offensive snaps and got 24 targets resulting in 10 first downs and two TDs.

 

[CardNots]

Trey went from 29 to 81 to 111. I think Tip can go from 6 to 25 if he is part of passing part of the passing game.

Just two targets per game will make the defense have a thought in the back of their head.

 

[football karma]

i think Reiman has to catch just enough passes to be taken seriously by the defense. Even if its a 5 yard dump off where he clobbers some DB who comes to tackle him and he gets 8 plus.

 

[AZ Native]

He’s either gotta be a better blocker than giving snaps to a 3rd or fourth OT or he has to occasionally run credible routes.

I’d rather give developmental snaps to Conner or whomever on the edge than play a TE you can’t pass to.

You CAN pass to him. No one will expect it. But that’s not his forte. He is primarily a blocker, and a darn good one.

 

[unseenaz]

I don’t think there’s enough receptions to go around to see tip get 30. Kyler isn’t suddenly going to pass for 4500 yards, no matter how good the receiving corps are. It’s gonna be a heavy dose of McBride and MHJ

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

He’s either gotta be a better blocker than giving snaps to a 3rd or fourth OT or he has to occasionally run credible routes.

I’d rather give developmental snaps to Conner or whomever on the edge than play a TE you can’t pass to.

Value is relative, especially in the light of draft capital spent. Blocking TEs / Full backs are usually rounds 5-7.

He is the check down option on play action. That's it.

He basically needs to be a top 5 blocking TE in the league to justify a 3ed round pick.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

I don’t think there’s enough receptions to go around to see tip get 30. Kyler isn’t suddenly going to pass for 4500 yards, no matter how good the receiving corps are. It’s gonna be a heavy dose of McBride and MHJ

I will admit that it thr defense is as advertised, he should get more opportunities. I would put the over / at 22.5