Durant to Suns

[Hoop Head]

Hey @Ronin

John Hollinger blasts clueless Phoenix Suns as Kevin Durant trade offers get stale, 'A classic...'

Hollinger says the Suns 'don't really know' what they are doing with Kevin Durant...

nbaanalysis.net

The draft hasn't even happened and he's blasting the Suns for negotiating? Crazy.

 

[Chaplin]

Is Hollinger still relevant?

 

[Hoop Head]

My bad, didn't mean to tag you in that last one @Ronin but did want to ask your take, where you think he'll land since you have probably read more articles speculating than anyone else here. I don't mean what deal you prefer but if you had to say which deal you think would happen or put a list together of where you think teams stand.

Appreciate what you do here, sir.

 

[Ronin]

My bad, didn't mean to tag you in that last one @Ronin but did want to ask your take, where you think he'll land since you have probably read more articles speculating than anyone else here. I don't mean what deal you prefer but if you had to say which deal you think would happen or put a list together of where you think teams stand.

Appreciate what you do here, sir.

No worries.

My list is to where i hope he goes.......China.lol

In all seriousness, I think it's going be Houston. I think it's staring contest at this point.

 

[Yuma]

Originally it was stated that Durant would be traded maybe just hours before the draft. Then recently, Gambo and others hinted it could be any day now. Sometimes these things end up being just as originally thought. I would not be surprised to hear of a trade right before the draft.

 

[Phrazbit]

These articles are so dumb. Of course they have leverage! There are teams out there that are desperate for a killer scorer, and KD is just that.

We don't.

The Nets didn't have leverage in 23 either, but, fortunately for them, the Suns had a new owner right before the trade deadline who had no clue what he was getting into.

Aged stars have very little leverage in their career path, it's been seen continuously, but we were exceptionally stupid.

I think most of the NBA knows what KD is at this point. He is a star with a brand name that sells tickets, but he isn't going to take you anywhere that matters. He's also almost certain to get your coach fired, regardless of how much you are paying said coach. And you're not winning a title with him... unless you already have a roster that is highly likely to win a title with or without him.

 

[taz02]

KD isn't going to lead anyone to a championship. Unfortunately, that's what the suns needed, and he isn't it.

He is however a good enough plyer to put the right team over the top. He was our best player last season. Patience should bring a decent haul.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

We don't.

The Nets didn't have leverage in 23 either, but, fortunately for them, the Suns had a new owner right before the trade deadline who had no clue what he was getting into.

Aged stars have very little leverage in their career path, it's been seen continuously, but we were exceptionally stupid.

I think most of the NBA knows what KD is at this point. He is a star with a brand name that sells tickets, but he isn't going to take you anywhere that matters. He's also almost certain to get your coach fired, regardless of how much you are paying said coach. And you're not winning a title with him... unless you already have a roster that is highly likely to win a title with or without him.

There are a lot of teams that are close, or could believe that they're close enough to roll the dice. We'll see.

 

[Mainstreet]

The media keeps throwing out different ideas on a trade for Durant with teams like Houston, Spurs and Miami.

I will be glad when this is over, especially if the Suns can get some fair compensation in return.

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[Ronin]

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[Mainstreet]

Media keeps talking about the Heat, but I like what the Raptors are offering as well.

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[BirdGangThing]

stay patient ish

 

[Mainstreet]

stay patient ish

Now you tell him to be patient. I'm joking, of course, but that is what he should have been when he bought the team.

 

[Hoop Head]

Ware is the primary piece I want from Miami. I don't like the picks they have but he has the highest ceiling of anyone who has been named so far from any team except Castle, who was never really in play.

 

[Ronin]

Rockets' Potential Kevin Durant Trade Package Revealed Following New Report

The Houston Rockets' framework for a Kevin Durant trade with the Phoenix Suns has been revealed.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[leclerc]

Good. Eason, Jabari or Shep, or don't bother. Just Jalen Green and #10 is not enough.

 

[BirdGangThing]

i think udoka is the driving force in houston but their gm is trying to lowball because he knows kd wants to be a rocket and that kd usually gets his way - not to mention a 2 year extension places kd in houston for 3 whole years - that can be a good or bad thing- nobody knows

this is why ish must keep other suiters in the mix - because once they dry up we're proper ****ed - no kfc 3 piece just a player and a pick take it or leave it

 

[Superbone]

i think udoka is the driving force in houston but their gm is trying to lowball because he knows kd wants to be a rocket and that kd usually gets his way - not to mention a 2 year extension places kd in houston for 3 whole years - that can be a good or bad thing- nobody knows

this is why ish must keep other suiters in the mix - because once they dry up we're proper ****ed - no kfc 3 piece just a player and a pick take it or leave it

I had a kfc 3 piece last night. Yum.

 

[Folster]

In light of Durant's recent investment into PSG and what appears to be his preference to be traded to a no income tax state, I am pretty confident he'll be signing an extension with the team to which he is traded. He will not be leaving tens of millions on the table for free agency as no team will have cap space to sign him to the amount he can extend for with the team that holds his Bird rights.

The problem is that a team pressing for contention would be insane to give up significant assets to trade for a player of his status when he has made it clear he doesn't want to play for your team.

 

[Mainstreet]

If the Suns so choose, even Pat Riley relented to trading Jimmy Butler, they could play hardball if Durant does not agree to a trade of their liking.

They could sit him the entire season or until the trade deadline like they did Jae Crowder and then decide what to do with him.

And if he doesn't play this season, what's his future value going to be?

Durant is not going to make $60 million a season (whatever the amount) once he becomes a free agent, nor make up for the money he would lose by not signing an extension with another team.

He is going to be 38 next year. There is no way around that.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Is Hollinger still relevant?

I would say he is

 

[Chris_Sanders]

In the myriad of opinions I have shared on this board, of which many are incorret...supporting this trade is the absolute worst.

 

[Phrazbit]

KD isn't going to lead anyone to a championship. Unfortunately, that's what the suns needed, and he isn't it.

He is however a good enough plyer to put the right team over the top. He was our best player last season. Patience should bring a decent haul.

I just don't see it. He's never show himself to be that guy, he joined maybe the best team in NBA history and he didn't improve them, he just maintained the status quo, they won with him, they won before him, they won after him. Then, he didn't have any dramatic impact on the Nets and we got dramatically worse with each passing season he was here.

He wants to play his brand of basketball and his brand is attuned to, at best, the snail pace of the early 2000s, or just one on one basketball, because he doesn't really do anything off the ball on either end. Defensively he is a good one on one defender, but there are a ton of plays every night where he doesn't even bother to get back, especially if he is up in his feeling about his offense, and offensively, he is IMO, insanely overrated... at least the version we got. He is a great ISO player... but ISO scoring doesn't matter for crap, especially when he is constantly playing slow as hell to setup some inefficient 16 foot fade away... and when he can't force his own offense he will pass... in which case he is more highly likely than any other superstar to throw the ball to the wrong team.

I really wish he wasn't opposed to joining the Wolves, I think he would utterly ruin that team and any future picks we got from them would be solid gold.

 

[taz02]

I just don't see it. He's never show himself to be that guy, he joined maybe the best team in NBA history and he didn't improve them, he just maintained the status quo, they won with him, they won before him, they won after him. Then, he didn't have any dramatic impact on the Nets and we got dramatically worse with each passing season he was here.

He wants to play his brand of basketball and his brand is attuned to, at best, the snail pace of the early 2000s, or just one on one basketball, because he doesn't really do anything off the ball on either end. Defensively he is a good one on one defender, but there are a ton of plays every night where he doesn't even bother to get back, especially if he is up in his feeling about his offense, and offensively, he is IMO, insanely overrated... at least the version we got. He is a great ISO player... but ISO scoring doesn't matter for crap, especially when he is constantly playing slow as hell to setup some inefficient 16 foot fade away... and when he can't force his own offense he will pass... in which case he is more highly likely than any other superstar to throw the ball to the wrong team.

I really wish he wasn't opposed to joining the Wolves, I think he would utterly ruin that team and any future picks we got from them would be solid gold.

Maybe, though he has two championships, was the finals MVP both times, was our best player last season while being the leagues 6th leading scorer at 27ppg.

 

[Phrazbit]

Maybe, though he has two championships, was the finals MVP both times, was our best player last season while being the leagues 6th leading scorer at 27ppg.

Again, the warriors were the best team in basketball before he got there, maybe the best team ever, then they went on and won a title without him after he left.

He was window dressing on an already great team.

And sure... he was our "best player", while we as a team got much much worse while he was here. He puts up his points, he does his passive aggressive routine, 3 coaches get fired in about 28 months... but, he got his.

I don't think a team can win a title with him unless they are already capable of winning one without him. With the way he plays, there is no way he isn't going to lead his team in scoring, because he does not get involved without the ball.