Deandre Ayton discussion

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  1. Mainstreet

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    And Ayton is three years younger.
     
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    Yup there was an obvious CLANG off Ayton’s hands in the paint tonight. Really good pass too. Ayton has zero turnovers in the box. That’s called immediate evidence.
     
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    I'm guessing you mean this TO by Cam Johnson (second highlight): https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?ContextMeasure=TOV&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022000526&PlayerID=1629661&RangeType=0&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612756&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game
     
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    Yup. The pass is directly to Ayton just a bit above his waist and he fumbles it down and then it bounces up to him and he hits to toward a defender. And it’s scored Cam’s turnover not Ayton’s. That’s a good pass that goes against cam, not Ayton who fumbled it.
     
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    To be fair, most players, no matter how good they are, are going to have a play or two like that in every game.

    My problem is that outside of the 4th quarter he wasn't actually doing anything offensively at all.
     
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    Again, I didn’t bring it up to complain about him. I brought it up in the context of what we were speaking about earlier today, that the passer gets the turnover in that scenario even if it’s the fumbler at fault.

    tonight was a good game, imo, for Ayton on the hands front. That time and the rebound in traffic where he brought the ball down and had it stripped outta his hands (but it went out on the wolves) were the only two bad hands moments he had in the game. That’s pretty good.
     
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    Ayton > Luka now in win shares.

    BIG FELLA taking bodies.
     
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    I do watch our other guys like Kam and Saric, they catch the ball cleanly more so than DA. They also have better post moves for sure, lately Ayton has been utilizing timing and pump fakes more and more. Before he would shrivel up and pass the ball out without even thinking about the rim.
     
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    Which means precisely nothing. Luka has nobody close to CP3 and Book on that roster.

    Happy we are better than the Mavs, but you’ll be hard pressed to prove Ayton is better based on that stat.
     
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    My, how the narrative has shifted!
     
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    Never said he was better, but he has impacted winning more this year. Also, I think Luka’s flaws (relies on free throws, defensive liability) are more exposed in the playoffs.
     
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    Win shares obviously mean *something*

    Booker moved up 20 spots on win share list from last night’s game alone!
     
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    Hmm, I would think such a jump on limited data would actually undermine the legitimacy of the metric. Or I guess the margin of difference in win share among those 20 is so narrow that a single terrific game can cause such a large leap, which again seems to undermine the weight I’d give metric.
     
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    In that respect, how good is Ayton's number since those 4 games a month ago (or however long ago it was) where he was almost perfect?
     
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    Nah, it’s more that players are pretty tightly packed together. The point is that an obviously outstanding game had a clear positive impact to win shares. Matches up with eye test. It’s ONE metric that is a good heuristic for quality. It’s a lot better than angry fans of a player screaming about points and disrespect and wins.
     

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