Chris Paul enters COVID Protocol

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It's fine. Nothing to see here.

A Barkley thread can get moved and a Baker thread can get shut down, but nothing will happen to a precious Paul thread...

Barkley is straight P&R or maybe TV. Doesn't belong in real NBA news.

Baker thread is just all arguing.

This was deleting 14 posts out of 30 pages of actual relevant news.
 

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I said nothing about Covid. What did you read?

Just an observation on three equally devolving threads handled in three different ways by the same person.

Paul is current events....this is almost like a status thread
 

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I touched on this earlier, but based on current info/assumptions it seems like the NBA has a seriously flawed policy. Let's assume that Paul was vaccinated and tested positive.

We know that the 5-10% of fully vaccinated individuals will test positive. We also know that vaccinated people are much less likely to spread the virus (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-vaccine-moderna-pfizer-transmission-disease).

NBA players seem to be likely candidates for these breakthrough infections given their exposure to huge crowds of mask-less and potentially un-vaccinated people. Therefore, it was a certainty that this would happen eventually.

The NBA had two rational choices they could have made to avoid a situation like this.

1. Keep reduced capacity in the arenas so minimize players' exposure to the virus.
2. Waive the requirement that vaccinated players with asymptomatic positive tests quarantine, following the logic that these individuals pose only a small risk of transmitting the virus.

Of course, they did neither.
 

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Initial reports were that the mRNA vaccines were 90-95% effective at preventing infection. More recent (real world) data seem largely consistent.

Here is a summary article:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01505-x

A nationwide vaccination campaign in Israel found the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine, co-developed by Pfizer in New York City and BioNTech in Mainz, Germany, to be 95% effective against SARS-CoV-2 infection seven days or more after the second dose3.

Data are reported here:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33964222/

I haven't kept up with the literature on this so 5-10% might not be exactly correct. But it is true that some vaccinated individuals will contract the virus. The good news has always been that this small population will experience much milder symptoms than the un-vaccinated population.
 

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Initial reports were that the mRNA vaccines were 90-95% effective at preventing infection.

But in order to get to 5-10% positives among vaccinated, you have to assume that literally everyone either contracts or "would have" contracted the disease.

I haven't kept up with the literature on this so 5-10% might not be exactly correct.

That's an understatement. It's like saying that if condoms are 90-95% effective, 5-10% of women will be pregnant at all times.
 

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The vaccine doesnt prevent you from contracting the virus and thus testing positive.. it just helps you to elicit the right response to fight it when you do.
 

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But in order to get to 5-10% positives among vaccinated, you have to assume that literally everyone either contracts or "would have" contracted the disease.



That's an understatement. It's like saying that if condoms are 90-95% effective, 5-10% of women will be pregnant at all times.

You're right 5-10% doesn't mean that 5-10% of the vaccinated population tested positive. It means that the infection rate in the vaccinated population is 5-10% of the infection rate in the unvaccinated population.

The important point is that the rate of infection in vaccinated people is not zero.
 

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The vaccine doesnt prevent you from contracting the virus and thus testing positive.. it just helps you to elicit the right response to fight it when you do.

That immune response will keep the viral titer low enough that you are much less likely to test positive though.
 
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