Cards Will Have to Make Salary Cuts?

[joeshmo]

Of the players who are mentioned by posters to be cut or should be cut.

Milford Brown - Cap savings of about 1 Mill. A possibility but is Gandy or Ross a better backup to Wells when Wells eventually struggles.

Reggie Wells - We would actually lose cap space if cut, not a possibility.

Brandon Gorin - A Savings of 700K and a real possibility.

Femi - Will save about 700 K and is a real possibility.

Bryant Johnson - Cap savings of only $381,250. Might as well just keep him.

C.Pace - Cap Savings of only $211,250. Might as well just keep him especially with the lack of LB's on this team.

D.Blackstock - Close to 300 K. savings

Elton Brown - Close to 300 K savings

Just to add the the only other player with a real possiblity to be cut that will help the cap-

Ralph Brown - 720K and hopefully Bain makes the team.

So I only see right now 3 possibilites to be cut without impacting our depth or just wont give us much cap relief to begin with to make the cut worth our while(Pace, BJ, ect). Those players are Femi, Ralph Brown, and Gorin, which would give us about a little over 2 Mill in cap savings for players that are already replaced and wouldnt hurt depth.

Those cuts and restructuring of contracts are the best bets to get cap space back for more signings and extensions, without hurting the depth and overall talent of the team. We can turn Okeafers and Berrys base salary into the vet minimum by giving them the difference between the vet min and the salary they were making as a signing bonus. They still get all of their money and is in there favor since they get it faster, but we can lower their cap hits this year by being able to pay them base and spreading out what they will make over the life of their contract via a signing bonus. We would save about 6 Mill in cap space this year, but the down side is that their cap hits for every other year of their contracts would cost us 2 or more mill more per season.

 

[joeshmo]

M.Brown + C.Pace + B.Johnson + J.Arrington = 6,580,000

Now minus their pro rated bonuses and you only get cap savings of less then 1.5 Mill. Cutting JJ will actually cost you cap space.

 

[Sandan]

I wasn't trying to shove the idea of cutting ML down anybodies throat. I thought it was so obviously sarcasm that it didn't need labeling as such.

The point was I now see several posters here ready to jump under a bus in panic and frankly it is more than just a little premature.

We just had what appeared to be at least a decent to very good draft and still I see the 'inept' comments.

 

[Pariah]

several posters here ready to jump under a bus in panic and frankly it is more than just a little premature.

Premature? We haven't been to the playoffs but once in 50 years!

 

[joeshmo]

This may be a blessing in disguise. If the Cards really do restructure for cap space, something they have or have rarely done in the past they can really show me something. I say this becuase to restrucutre the team usually has to pay a bonus to get the player to sign on the dotted line and make the accounting work. That takes cash and has to be paid in one big check and not over a period of time.

It will be interesting which route they take, and which route they pick will be very telling.

 

[kerouac9]

Thanks a ton, joe. I think that Milford Brown is really on the bubble, since I think (hope) that Gandy will move inside to G. I'd guess that Gandy and M. Brown are about equivalent when it comes to performance at OG. Gandy might even be marginally better.

That would make R. Wells a swing player all along the OL. Which I think is the best position for him.

Another issue on Bryant Johnson: even if the cap savings isn't great, we know that Breaston and Morey are locks to make the roster. Would we carry 6 WRs into the season in order to keep #80 and a Spurlock/McCoy/Watkins?

 

[TheCardFan]

This may be a blessing in disguise. If the Cards really do restructure for cap space, something they have or have rarely done in the past they can really show me something. I say this becuase to restrucutre the team usually has to pay a bonus to get the player to sign on the dotted line and make the accounting work. That takes cash and has to be paid in one big check and not over a period of time.

It will be interesting which route they take, and which route they pick will be very telling.

Agreed. IF we restructure contracts without losing starters or quality depth (for us)...then we have turned another corner that the Bidwills were the last to actually navigate...and that is a positive.

 

[joeshmo]

Another issue on Bryant Johnson: even if the cap savings isn't great, we know that Breaston and Morey are locks to make the roster. Would we carry 6 WRs into the season in order to keep #80 and a Spurlock/McCoy/Watkins?

I think we would since I dont consider Morey as a WR since he hasnt really done it in any year he has been in the league. He is a ST Ace nothing more, IMO. So that would be 5 WR's and a ST Ace in my head.

 

[jefftheshark]

Premature? We haven't been to the playoffs but once in 50 years!

I think that he means that we shouldn't jump in front of a bus because of this issue, not that we shouldn't jump on just general principles.

The Shark

 

[kerouac9]

I think we would since I dont consider Morey as a WR since he hasnt really done it in any year he has been in the league. He is a ST Ace nothing more, IMO. So that would be 5 WR's and a ST Ace in my head.

Okay. I can see that, because I'm still trying to make room for 'Femi in my construction of this roster, and he takes up room as a ST Ace. But I have a hard time imagining this team going into the season with Smith and one of two converted DEs as their blocking fullbacks, either.

 

[Mulli]

Lack of depth at blocking FB? That is just terrible!!!

Not.

 

[Sandan]

Correct.

There is no bus yet, this is a non-issue right now.

In fact I remember the wringing of hands when the Cardinals didn't spend all their cap money.

 

[SECTION 11]

Did you ever consider they have plan already ?

Not for many, many years have I considered this.

 

[Pariah]

I think that he means that we shouldn't jump in front of a bus because of this issue, not that we shouldn't jump on just general principles.

The Shark

I'll bet the guy from Momento is the ultimate Cards fan--he can't remeber what horrible decisions the Cards have made in the past so he's eternally optimistic that the next one will be successful.

Sorry, but the Cardinals FO hasn't earned this fan's leeway. Year after year of poor planning is proof in the pudding. I'll be a doubter until proven otherwise...and believe me, I WANT to be proven wrong. I really do.

 

[Pariah]

In fact I remember the wringing of hands when the Cardinals didn't spend all their cap money.

There is a middle ground between not spending it and spending so much on FA backups that your cuts have to be deeper than is comfortable. I swear. It exists.

 

[Mulli]

I'll bet the guy from Momento is the ultimate Cards fan--he can't remeber what horrible decisions the Cards have made in the past so he's eternally optimistic that the next one will be successful.

Sorry, but the Cardinals FO hasn't earned this fan's leeway. Year after year of poor planning is proof in the pudding. I'll be a doubter until proven otherwise...and believe me, I WANT to be proven wrong. I really do.

It might help to think that way, but if you are still a Cardinal fan, there is a ton of leeway going on there.

 

[Pariah]

It might help to think that way, but if you are still a Cardinal fan, there is a ton of leeway going on there.

That's true.

But what I meant was in my criticism vs. eternal optimism.

 

[Mulli]

That's true.

But what I meant was in my criticism vs. eternal optimism.

gotcha

 

[JeffGollin]

I believe JoeShmo has it right - It's how the top 52 - 53 roster guys will fit under the cap. Also - either Urban or Somers quoted Rod Graves as saying that attention has been paid to the future cap situation (the assumption being that they had it covered).

One of the "givens" of the off-season and training camp is that "a lot of guys will be cut." I'd expect there's more than a little wriggle room getting down from 88 to 53 players.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Now minus their pro rated bonuses and you only get cap savings of less then 1.5 Mill. Cutting JJ will actually cost you cap space.

Thanks.

I have no idea how the cap works. I just added the total salaries together.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Correct.

There is no bus yet, this is a non-issue right now.

In fact I remember the wringing of hands when the Cardinals didn't spend all their cap money.

feh,

It is something to talk about. I see no panic, just defensiveness as far as the eye could see.

Players will be cut, and they will be cut based on pay against performance.

 

[Redheart]

This thread is too much.

A couple of months ago, the tar was being boiled and feather beds were being harvested everywhere in preparation:

The "same old" Cardinals were not even going to spend to the cap! The Cheap B's.

Now...the skiy is falling...we are in cap hell...we are going to have to cut somebody who is earning a lot of money!!!

I think somebody just likes to tar and feather.

 

[Mulli]

This thread is too much.

A couple of months ago, the tar was being boiled and feather beds were being harvested everywhere in preparation:

The "same old" Cardinals were not even going to spend to the cap! The Cheap B's.

Now...the skiy is falling...we are in cap hell...we are going to have to cut somebody who is earning a lot of money!!!

I think somebody just likes to tar and feather.

Yep!!

 

[Russ Smith]

Agreed. IF we restructure contracts without losing starters or quality depth (for us)...then we have turned another corner that the Bidwills were the last to actually navigate...and that is a positive.

Sure but it would be nice if we did that because it was necessary to build a winning team, not because we intentionally crammed extra money into this years' cap and then wound up without enough cap room to sign our picks.

 

[BigRedRage]

This thread is too much.

A couple of months ago, the tar was being boiled and feather beds were being harvested everywhere in preparation:

The "same old" Cardinals were not even going to spend to the cap! The Cheap B's.

Now...the skiy is falling...we are in cap hell...we are going to have to cut somebody who is earning a lot of money!!!

I think somebody just likes to tar and feather.

no kiddin