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I’m so disgusted with the play calling that I cant believe I even care anymore, hopeless, powerless, need recovery plan as much as this team and this nation.

so Detroit game mentioned when last played together - chase had 2 runs at halftime, Conner 1- in the blow out loss - so don’t know these fools are watching or smoking. Same in the playoff loss. Did not run the ball until we lost the games. Was a theme, everybody saying our stats are balanced more- not early in games - they are not as you look at situational stats. Same as whiz and BA. Edge and CJ both hall of gamer all time greats.

did not pay Edmonds or Conner what most players earn as bonus money all year! 1 mill fir Edmonds 1.7 mill for Conner, doubt if cards pay them now, in their prime. I think Conner was cards offensive mvp, when Kyler went down, Conner carried cards. Kyler came back, might as well have been benched and put a oline in the backfield.

Arizona does not respect running backs, don’t even credit them in our success, team, media, fans. Definitely didn't pay them this year. Without Conner we don’t make the playoffs - and he is 2nd string back up pro bowl RB- bell cow, defense changer, with twitch and big play machine. I can not respect this head coach, run game coordinator, GM or owner. Fundamentally flawed philosophy, game planning, play calling and supervision. Had hope with new run game coordinator, but didn’t fix stupid.

 

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I’m so disgusted with the play calling that I cant believe I even care anymore, hopeless, powerless, need recovery plan as much as this team and this nation.

so Detroit game mentioned when last played together - chase had 2 runs at halftime, Conner 1- in the blow out loss - so don’t know these fools are watching or smoking. Same in the playoff loss. Did not run the ball until we lost the games. Was a theme, everybody saying our stats are balanced more- not early in games - they are not as you look at situational stats. Same as whiz and BA. Edge and CJ both hall of gamer all time greats.

did not pay Edmonds or Conner what most players earn as bonus money all year! 1 mill fir Edmonds 1.7 mill for Conner, doubt if cards pay them now, in their prime. I think Conner was cards offensive mvp, when Kyler went down, Conner carried cards. Kyler came back, might as well have been benched and put a oline in the backfield.

Arizona does not respect running backs, don’t even credit them in our success, team, media, fans. Definitely didn't pay them this year. Without Conner we don’t make the playoffs - and he is 2nd string back up pro bowl RB- bell cow, defense changer, with twitch and big play machine. I can not respect this head coach, run game coordinator, GM or owner. Fundamentally flawed philosophy, game planning, play calling and supervision. Had hope with new run game coordinator, but didn’t fix stupid.

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Sure, let's not have any respect for the organization that was doubted by most for signing that oft injured RB before season started. Also what normal fanbase complains about GM signing a guy cheap & coaching staff getting Pro Bowl performance out of him when most thought he was done???
 
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Sure, let's not have any respect for the organization that was doubted by most for signing that oft injured RB before season started. Also what normal fanbase complains about GM signing a guy cheap & coaching staff getting Pro Bowl performance out of him when most thought he was done???
Point well taken. Thank you James Conner, Chase edmonds and Steve Keim. Glad to see eno and ward get some experience also. In the end teams that ran the ball effectively was able to pass efficiently and advance against the strong competitors in the playoffs.

my idea is sign Conner and another bruiser back, as we have enough speed and open field ability at receiver positions And will probably prioritize more in the air red offense. I just think Conner is more valuable and harder to find then chase type rb And proof of need played through the playoffs and on to the super bowl, we beat those teams by running this year, no time run no time to win.
 

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I like both Conner and Edmonds.

They are also ten a penny as running backs. Outside a handful of back such as Chubb, Cook, Kamara etc all running backs are ten a penny. The only way Conner and Edmonds they differentiate themselves are as receivers but a few plays aside they were mainly used as short yardage check down options.

I wouldn't lose any sleep about losing either of them, at the same time if we could keep both at reasonable money that would be fine too.
 

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Point well taken. Thank you James Conner, Chase edmonds and Steve Keim. Glad to see eno and ward get some experience also. In the end teams that ran the ball effectively was able to pass efficiently and advance against the strong competitors in the playoffs.

my idea is sign Conner and another bruiser back, as we have enough speed and open field ability at receiver positions And will probably prioritize more in the air red offense. I just think Conner is more valuable and harder to find then chase type rb And proof of need played through the playoffs and on to the super bowl, we beat those teams by running this year, no time run no time to win.
I think this is the exact opposite of what we have. Two pair two slower backs in our team would likely make us the slowest offense in the league. And that’s with having a tremendous speed advantage over most teams at QB.
 
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I like both Conner and Edmonds.

They are also ten a penny as running backs. Outside a handful of back such as Chubb, Cook, Kamara etc all running backs are ten a penny. The only way Conner and Edmonds they differentiate themselves are as receivers but a few plays aside they were mainly used as short yardage check down options.

I wouldn't lose any sleep about losing either of them, at the same time if we could keep both at reasonable money that would be fine too.
Well he made pro bowl as a back up rb, 18 tds - Arizona don’t appreciate that? ouchie talks about speed, while we feed speedy rookie Moore like 82 touches, while other teams establish the run. And destroy the cardinals, when it matters.
 

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Well he made pro bowl as a back up rb, 18 tds - Arizona don’t appreciate that? ouchie talks about speed, while we feed speedy rookie Moore like 82 touches, while other teams establish the run. And destroy the cardinals, when it matters.
I have no idea what the point you’re making here is, I just pointed out that you’re wrong when you state we have team speed. Compared to most teams - and certainly the best teams in the nfl - we do not.
 

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Well he made pro bowl as a back up rb, 18 tds - Arizona don’t appreciate that? ouchie talks about speed, while we feed speedy rookie Moore like 82 touches, while other teams establish the run. And destroy the cardinals, when it matters.

Of those 18 TD's I would expect any RB to get at least 15 of them. He had some nice one's I'm not going to take away from him vs Chicago, Niners, etc which were truly good open field plays. The vast majority of the rest were "run it in from inside the 5".

I like Conner fine, but I wouldn't pay him more than $4-5m per and even that doesn't appeal to me. He's an effort back. He doesn't have any vision in the run game, he's not particularly quick, he's not going to break your ankles. He's a good player, but you can get most of what he offers for not a lot of money in the RB market.

He had exactly the same touches as Damian Harris, yet Harris had 175 more yards. Harris had the same number of rushing TD's too. Harris is a decent running back but I doubt anyone would be clambering to pay him more than $4-5m if he was FA.
 

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Of those 18 TD's I would expect any RB to get at least 15 of them. He had some nice one's I'm not going to take away from him vs Chicago, Niners, etc which were truly good open field plays. The vast majority of the rest were "run it in from inside the 5".

I like Conner fine, but I wouldn't pay him more than $4-5m per and even that doesn't appeal to me. He's an effort back. He doesn't have any vision in the run game, he's not particularly quick, he's not going to break your ankles. He's a good player, but you can get most of what he offers for not a lot of money in the RB market.

He had exactly the same touches as Damian Harris, yet Harris had 175 more yards. Harris had the same number of rushing TD's too. Harris is a decent running back but I doubt anyone would be clambering to pay him more than $4-5m if he was FA.
Watch Mixon, Chubbs, and guys like that. They have power and speed. Conner is a high effort guy with some power.
I love his effort but I think he could be replaced if his demands are too high.
 

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Watch Mixon, Chubbs, and guys like that. They have power and speed. Conner is a high effort guy with some power.
I love his effort but I think he could be replaced if his demands are too high.

Nobody is trying to compare Conner to a top 5-10 RB like Mixon or Chubb. Most of those guys are also getting 12m/year plus.

He is a role player for sure - not a bell cow. We definitely need to draft a RB this year but I like the complimentary skillset of Conner for the right price.
 

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I’m so disgusted with the play calling that I cant believe I even care anymore, hopeless, powerless, need recovery plan as much as this team and this nation.

so Detroit game mentioned when last played together - chase had 2 runs at halftime, Conner 1- in the blow out loss - so don’t know these fools are watching or smoking. Same in the playoff loss. Did not run the ball until we lost the games. Was a theme, everybody saying our stats are balanced more- not early in games - they are not as you look at situational stats. Same as whiz and BA. Edge and CJ both hall of gamer all time greats.

did not pay Edmonds or Conner what most players earn as bonus money all year! 1 mill fir Edmonds 1.7 mill for Conner, doubt if cards pay them now, in their prime. I think Conner was cards offensive mvp, when Kyler went down, Conner carried cards. Kyler came back, might as well have been benched and put a oline in the backfield.

Arizona does not respect running backs, don’t even credit them in our success, team, media, fans. Definitely didn't pay them this year. Without Conner we don’t make the playoffs - and he is 2nd string back up pro bowl RB- bell cow, defense changer, with twitch and big play machine. I can not respect this head coach, run game coordinator, GM or owner. Fundamentally flawed philosophy, game planning, play calling and supervision. Had hope with new run game coordinator, but didn’t fix stupid.

I'm not sure that I agree that the Cardinals don't respect their running game. KK definitely understands that you can't win without the ability to run the ball with success. Our problem in the Detroit loss & pretty much EVERY loss was that our D played like crap, couldn't stop the run, put us in a hole early, and then we had to play catch up by throwing the ball. Yes, we threw the ball way too much early in the Detroit game. The Cardinals took their D for granted. KK obviously saw their pass D as a major area to attack. But, Detroit adjusted their defensive game plan that day, knew what KK was doing, even before we did it. KK got embarrassed with his play calls. It seems that KK's offense is VERY predictable when we're forced to be one dimensional. In today's NFL, you can't expect your offense to come out of the gate with success every week. How many times do we see the really good teams start slowly on offense, but their D keeps them in the game. Once our D-Line & secondary were diminished with injuries, Covid, etc, teams could move at will, eat up clock at will, and score at will. Opponents D's game out early with aggressive game plans that completely confused our offense. With our weak D, before we even knew what hit us, we were down multiple scores. That forced us to be one-dimensional & PREDICTABLE. If our D was stronger, our O would be too.
 

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