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[Ronin]

Cardinals React to Controversial No-Call vs Colts

Were the Cardinals robbed on their final offensive play?

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[dscher]

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Yeah. You don't even see it clearly at that angle. The field level replay showed it as clear as day. Not even debatable IMHO. Unless you say uncatchable, which is very suspect as well. Either way...we got hosed there.

 

[Ronin]

Postgame Report: Week 6 in Indianapolis

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[Russ Smith]

We clearly got hosed on that play

They would have called it on us

I think there's a grab the one that really killed us was the INT where they clearly interfered with Zay. Give us that call we at worst get a FG and possibly a TD.

But again going to keep saying it we lose because we don't make enough plays that win games. Budda reads the play perfectly jumps the route and drops a perfect INT right in his hands. He's not going to score on it but he's going to get a good bit of yards after the play and they don't score.

not to hammer on Budda too much but those are the plays that are killing us. DeMercado drops a walkin td against SF, Zay drops a game clinching catch in the same game.
Seattle game we tie the score and then Ryland blows the KO. Even in that one they had Charbonnet hit in the hole behind the LOS he gets 4 yards they kick a game winning 52 yarder. If we make that play he has to make a 57 yarder.

Good teams make plays when they need them, we don't

 

[Dback Jon]

I think there's a grab the one that really killed us was the INT where they clearly interfered with Zay. Give us that call we at worst get a FG and possibly a TD.

But again going to keep saying it we lose because we don't make enough plays that win games. Budda reads the play perfectly jumps the route and drops a perfect INT right in his hands. He's not going to score on it but he's going to get a good bit of yards after the play and they don't score.

not to hammer on Budda too much but those are the plays that are killing us. DeMercado drops a walkin td against SF, Zay drops a game clinching catch in the same game.
Seattle game we tie the score and then Ryland blows the KO. Even in that one they had Charbonnet hit in the hole behind the LOS he gets 4 yards they kick a game winning 52 yarder. If we make that play he has to make a 57 yarder.

Good teams make plays when they need them, we don't

And the sad thing is that the quarterback doesn’t seem to make a difference for these types of bonehead plays, which means you have to look up to the coaching

 

[Reb Brown]

Is there any other possible result today other than Jacoby "Pass the BBQ Sauce" Brissett throwing for 300+ and 2TDs in a close loss?

It's our destiny.

lmao

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Genuine question.

Are you & Ouchie blood brothers or something?

Why is it that Ouchie & I have a conversation, you come in with the Superman cape?

Same goes for you, but when he puts on the Superman cape on for you, he does it about 16 hours later.

lol. We are actual brothers. But the reality is that we just have a tendency to see things very similarly. We likely agree with each other about 80% of the time. Not because we are related, but because we view sports very similarly. Our pops and brother-who-shall-not-post tend to be similarly minded.

I tend not to talk to cheese on ASFN because we chat about sports directly pretty regularly. So I just address posts directly and with my own perspective.

As a btw, where in his post was it indicative of a “Superman cape?” He wasn’t “rescuing” me (not that I needed rescuing)?

 

[oaken1]

I think there's a grab the one that really killed us was the INT where they clearly interfered with Zay. Give us that call we at worst get a FG and possibly a TD.

But again going to keep saying it we lose because we don't make enough plays that win games. Budda reads the play perfectly jumps the route and drops a perfect INT right in his hands. He's not going to score on it but he's going to get a good bit of yards after the play and they don't score.

not to hammer on Budda too much but those are the plays that are killing us. DeMercado drops a walkin td against SF, Zay drops a game clinching catch in the same game.
Seattle game we tie the score and then Ryland blows the KO. Even in that one they had Charbonnet hit in the hole behind the LOS he gets 4 yards they kick a game winning 52 yarder. If we make that play he has to make a 57 yarder.

Good teams make plays when they need them, we don't

Agree. We make the basic play pretty consistently...
But the basic"great play" doesn't happen...they stay stuck in almost.

The worst part is that in previous seasons we missed due to limited talent and what talent we had used their focus to protect the guys around them...
Now we have more talent but for some reason none of our guys can stay focused. The affect on the team from the mental errors is just devastating.

 

[BritCard]

Yes MHJ was out

Is this your new thing? The offense wasn't better because of Brissett, it was better because MHJ didn't play?

 

[Russ Smith]

Is this your new thing? The offense wasn't better because of Brissett, it was better because MHJ didn't play?

Its the first game we have seen where both were true. The offense was looking better in the first half with Brissett, and the offense was markedly better in the 2nd half after Marv was ruled out. Doesn't mean that's why but it was interesting we were openly talking about it in the game thread we still can't run how the heck are we going to move the ball in the 2nd half with Marv out. But we did, rather effectively.

Their secondary was depleted and we had 10 in the first half but the 2nd half offense was so efficient and effective.

I think Brissett was much better on 3rd down than Kyler had been and that was a big deal.

I don't think one half is enough to make any judgements on Marv but it was interesting we moved the ball easily in the 2nd half and really still couldn't run the ball it was all via pass

 

[Chopper0080]

Its the first game we have seen where both were true. The offense was looking better in the first half with Brissett, and the offense was markedly better in the 2nd half after Marv was ruled out. Doesn't mean that's why but it was interesting we were openly talking about it in the game thread we still can't run how the heck are we going to move the ball in the 2nd half with Marv out. But we did, rather effectively.

Their secondary was depleted and we had 10 in the first half but the 2nd half offense was so efficient and effective.

I think Brissett was much better on 3rd down than Kyler had been and that was a big deal.

I don't think one half is enough to make any judgements on Marv but it was interesting we moved the ball easily in the 2nd half and really still couldn't run the ball it was all via pass

I'm gonna be a little bit of a dick here about this dumb narrative. If you are saying that MHJ was a problem before he got injured then you are likely saying McBride was also the problem.

MHJ 2 targets in 13 pass attempts resulting in 2 catches for 32 yards.

McBride 3 targets in 13 pass attempts resulting in 2 catches for 37 yards.

1 target and 5 yards difference between the two players during the same period of time.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm gonna be a little bit of a dick here about this dumb narrative. If you are saying that MHJ was a problem before he got injured then you are likely saying McBride was also the problem.

MHJ 2 targets in 13 pass attempts resulting in 2 catches for 32 yards.

McBride 3 targets in 13 pass attempts resulting in 2 catches for 37 yards.

1 target and 5 yards difference between the two players during the same period of time.

I'm not saying anything I'm saying for whatever reason the offense worked better in the 2nd half after Marv got hurt. Not saying it's because he was hurt just that's what happened.

in the first half Brissett was 10-21 for 117 yards. Second half 17-23 200 yards. I'm not saying it was because marv was out but I do think there's something to the idea DaveS and others have expressed that Jacoby probably gets the bulk of his work in practice with guys other than Marv(and Trey) and as a result that may be why he was so effective throwing the ball to them yesterday?

 

[BritCard]

Its the first game we have seen where both were true. The offense was looking better in the first half with Brissett, and the offense was markedly better in the 2nd half after Marv was ruled out. Doesn't mean that's why but it was interesting we were openly talking about it in the game thread we still can't run how the heck are we going to move the ball in the 2nd half with Marv out. But we did, rather effectively.

Their secondary was depleted and we had 10 in the first half but the 2nd half offense was so efficient and effective.

I think Brissett was much better on 3rd down than Kyler had been and that was a big deal.

I don't think one half is enough to make any judgements on Marv but it was interesting we moved the ball easily in the 2nd half and really still couldn't run the ball it was all via pass

MHJ has 80-100 yards if he stays in this game.

 

[DVontel]

MHJ has 80-100 yards if he stays in this game.

Except, you don’t know that.

 

[DVontel]

I think Marv needs to lose that mass he gained.

 

[BritCard]

I think Marv needs to lose that mass he gained.

Have ya'll seen Ja'marr Chase or Tyreek? Marv is a perfectly healthy size.

He was undersized last year for his frame. There's nothing wrong with what he's done.

 

[Russ Smith]

MHJ has 80-100 yards if he stays in this game.

Certainly possible we'll never know

 

[DVontel]

Have ya'll seen Ja'marr Chase or Tyreek?

The Tyreek comparison is laughable to the point you know that was hilarious to even include him. Ja’Marr is clearly more explosive than Marv before & after Marv’s mass again.

He was undersized last year for his frame.

He was quicker & didn’t appear as sluggish out of his routes.

There's nothing wrong with what he's done.

Except CBs being draped on him when the defense is playing press-man.

 

[Russ Smith]

Have ya'll seen Ja'marr Chase or Tyreek? Marv is a perfectly healthy size.

He was undersized last year for his frame. There's nothing wrong with what he's done.

the counter is have YOU seen Chase or Tyreek? If you're comparing Marv to either one of those two you haven't seen them. Tyreek was the fastest guy on the field every game he played in the NFL, and also quick. Chase is great after the catch and again very quick, he ran a 4.34 at his pro day, Marv didn't run so we don't know.

marv is not awful but he's not in the same area code as Tyreek or Chase when it comes to speed and quickness, he's a long strider who seems to have trouble separating because he's got no wiggle and he is slow out of breaks. He's not nearly as fast twitch as those 2.

 

[Chopper0080]

I think Marv needs to lose that mass he gained.

Most of it, yes. 11 lbs of muscle seems like a poor choice for a WR. Not sure where he got the idea from.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Most of it, yes. 11 lbs of muscle seems like a poor choice for a WR. Not sure where he got the idea from.

First he's soft. Now he is too hard. You guys sound like the warnings after a Viagra commercial.

 

[football karma]

Yeah. You don't even see it clearly at that angle. The field level replay showed it as clear as day. Not even debatable IMHO. Unless you say uncatchable, which is very suspect as well. Either way...we got hosed there.

IMO: a better pass probably gets the flag

it looked to me like even if Trey got out of his break without being held, he would have had a hard time getting to the pass

I also think that if that play were in the middle of the 2nd quarter -- it gets a flag, but not with the game on the line and the pass well off line

 

[football karma]

Yeah. You don't even see it clearly at that angle. The field level replay showed it as clear as day. Not even debatable IMHO. Unless you say uncatchable, which is very suspect as well. Either way...we got hosed there.

btw: Evan Brown with the wiff on a stunt -- caused the ball to come out early

THANKS Monti for assuming the o-line was good enough this offseason, in spite of evidence to the contrary

 

[Mulli]

btw: Evan Brown with the wiff on a stunt -- caused the ball to come out early

THANKS Monti for assuming the o-line was good enough this offseason, in spite of evidence to the contrary

He thought the Dline was good enough too

 

[football karma]

He thought the Dline was good enough too

at least he did something about that: Tomlinson, Campbell, 1st round pick