Cardinals at Saints.... opening weekend... official game day thread!!! 09/07/25

[MadCardDisease]

I would give him a C+. The + comes from his rushing.

I'd give Kyler a B-.

Week one on the road in a hostile environment and handled the crowd noise. With Adams struggling in pass protections he had to deal with a bunch of interior pass rush but did a good job of escaping. Kyler had no Turnovers which has been the achilles heel for him. He converted some big third and longs.

However he still missed a couple of throws he should have had. Also he still is taking a loss of a yard or two instead of throwing the ball away which is frustrating. Also taking some big sacks at the worst time late in the game.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I mean, Burrow had an awful game too. Not sure what's controversial about Burrow and Kyler being bad today, the difference is that Burrow was a one off and Kyler has years of it.

Actually apparently burrow has historically sucked in the first two games of the season throughout his career. Weird. But then he becomes one of the best in the league and Kyler . . . well . . . yeah . . .

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If Kyler was bad in ways he hasn't always been bad I'd just put it down to rust, game 1, sluggish start etc

But he was bad in all the ways he's always been bad. Which gives me little hope he's taken a step.

Right, other than the bomb to MHJ it was the same Kyler we’ve seen for years.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

With Murray, I guess we’re expecting absolute perfection? When Murray did run out of bounds, we lost 1, maybe 2 yards. He also used his legs to dig us out of 3rd & longs numerous times. I’ll take the 1 yard losses at times as long as you get the possibility of way more of the explosion type runs. Yes, he missed a couple throws, and I believe 2 of them were to MHJ. Do we know exactly who’s at fault there? Marvin looks to have improved a bunch, but at times he’s not perfect either. They’ll keep developing their bond & hopefully it continues to improve as the season progresses. More of the drive killers were gaffes by the OL, leaving Murray on his back before he even knew what hit him. Or some really bad penalties that killed drives. Hell, the hold by Froholdt late in the 4th prevented us from pulling away & making this a much easier win. Bottom line, it’s game 1. And we get to walk away being 1-0, which is something we haven’t done since 2021. And what’s the old saying….If you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse. We have to continuously get better in all facets of the game.

I love arguing to accept lost yardage for no reason. He literally is behind the line up scrimmage and outside the tackle box so he can just throw it outta bounds. Throwing those and keeping the 1 and 2 yards doesn’t stop him from his other runs when he picks up yardage. They are tied together. But go ahead and keep making inane arguments to absolve Kyler of even his dumbest plays.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I love arguing to accept lost yardage for no reason. He literally is behind the line up scrimmage and outside the tackle box so he can just throw it outta bounds. Throwing those and keeping the 1 and 2 yards doesn’t stop him from his other runs when he picks up yardage. They are tied together. But go ahead and keep making inane arguments to absolve Kyler of even his dumbest plays.

Kyler has done this since he entered the league. Not sure why he just doesn't throw it away. It's like his mind goes blank when he is being chased to the sideline.

 

[Chopper0080]

Kyler has done this since he entered the league. Not sure why he just doesn't throw it away. It's like his mind goes blank when he is being chased to the sideline.

Gets trapped in his lizard brain. More concerned with getting away than attacking the other team.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Gets trapped in his lizard brain. More concerned with getting away than attacking the other team.

Unless he doesn't want his completion percentage to take a hit??? That would be very selfish though.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Gets trapped in his lizard brain. More concerned with getting away than attacking the other team.

i think he's just hoping something will open up

 

[football karma]

More concerned with getting away than attacking the other team.

the odd thing is he already has gotten away. he just has to huck it across the line of scrimmage

 

[Chopper0080]

Unless he doesn't want his completion percentage to take a hit??? That would be very selfish though.

I think that is another possibility but as you said, it is more inflammatory.

 

[PACardsFan]

i think he's just hoping something will open up

Exactly! He’s been an elusive QB ALL his life, so it’s embedded in his DNA. Trust me, if the Cardinals coaches wanted that completely removed from his skill set, we’d see even less of it.

 

[Shane]

Unless he doesn't want his completion percentage to take a hit??? That would be very selfish though.

This is my thinking because he doesn’t fix it

 

[Cheesebeef]

Kyler has done this since he entered the league. Not sure why he just doesn't throw it away. It's like his mind goes blank when he is being chased to the sideline.

It’s because he’s proven he’s a player who refuses to learn from his mistakes.

 

[Stout]

Exactly! He’s been an elusive QB ALL his life, so it’s embedded in his DNA. Trust me, if the Cardinals coaches wanted that completely removed from his skill set, we’d see even less of it.

That in no way precludes him from, at the last second when there is no play to be had, chucking it OOB. It is rookie stupidity that no vet QB should be doing.

 

[PACardsFan]

I love arguing to accept lost yardage for no reason. He literally is behind the line up scrimmage and outside the tackle box so he can just throw it outta bounds. Throwing those and keeping the 1 and 2 yards doesn’t stop him from his other runs when he picks up yardage. They are tied together. But go ahead and keep making inane arguments to absolve Kyler of even his dumbest plays.

He does less of it than he used to, but it’s part of his DNA. And I honestly don’t believe that JG wants that part of his DNA completely removed. His legs are an important part of his skillset, so it’s instinctual for him to run. Would love to hear what the coaches tell him behind closed doors.

 

[PACardsFan]

This is my thinking because he doesn’t fix it

I can’t imagine that if the coaches told him to fix it, that he wouldn’t. JG would never talk about it, but would love to hear what they say to him behind closed doors.

 

[Dback Jon]

Kyler has done this since he entered the league. Not sure why he just doesn't throw it away. It's like his mind goes blank when he is being chased to the sideline.

On the plus side, he didn't panic, try to throw it away and end up with an interception...

 

[oaken1]

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all off season the talk was about our near all pro slot corner...how he will advance etc...
and suddenly nobody has a word for him, lol...its the other two guys.
This is a very good sign

 

[oaken1]

Let’s be honest, the accolades for the long pass to MHJ go to Murray. Marv had almost zero separation, but Kyler dropped the ball in perfectly. The MHJ/KM Combo has to continue to improve if this team wants to reach its goals.

Kyler gets credit for a vvery well placed ball.
But Marv did his job well too.
He got behind his guy.
He made a beautiful catch.
I for one am hoping that particular play becomes commonplace between the two of them and we see it every week.

 

[oaken1]

D is a little harsh, but a B is a little to generous. I’ll give a C…which is average.

the grading scale has slid an awful lot over the years. When I was a kid(so it should qualify for most of us since most of you guys are old as dirt) it was
A- Average
B-Below Average
C-Catch up
D-Declining
F-Failing
Of course, I went to school in California...and the place had standards (back then)...the only mark for an above average was
A+.....and it covered everything from slightly above average to hitting the stratosphere. Occasionally your teacher, in order to get a message across to your parents, would put an A++ on your report card.
By that scale Kyler was right around an A-...on the low side of average

 

[MadCardDisease]

Kyler gets credit for a vvery well placed ball.
But Marv did his job well too.
He got behind his guy.
He made a beautiful catch.
I for one am hoping that particular play becomes commonplace between the two of them and we see it every week.

The one thing that nobody is talking about on that bomb to MHJr is that Kyler had a perfect pocket from his OL on that play.

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[Cardiac]

As I watched the game yesterday it was apparent that the game plan was don't give up chunk plays and burn time of the clock. IIRC 2 of Kyler's sacks were sliding short of the line of scrimmage. Since he does take bone head sacks instead of simply throwing the ball away I agree it's something he refuses to correct or it's to help his completion %.
An outside chance that on those 2 sacks it was to keep the clock running???

 

[oaken1]

The problem is these are rookie mistakes. He should be tossing the ball out of bounds instead of running OOB for a loss of yardage. No excuse. He should be stepping up in the pocket to take a sack or throw it away, at worst, not taking a giant sack for no reason with his spin INTO a sack routine. Rookie mistake. He cuts those out, completes a few of those shots he missed, and everyone here would be praising him to high heaven. Remember how happy everyone was after his Rams game? We're not seeking that all the time. Everyone here thinks he did okay and managed the game. The pushback is when he's getting high praise for a non-high praise worthy performance.

agree. My only caveat would be, on the self imposed stats...it may have been a ball security issue..if he was unaware of exactly how close the defender behind him was. In order to throw the ball away it has to go down field, otherwise it becomes intentional grounding...and the way the refs treated us yesterday they surely would have called it.... but even throwing it OOB you gotta be safe...since he was being inaccurate throwing on the run...tossing the ball 10 yards down field in the direction of say, wilson,...if its off target it may end up just in bounds and a live ball.
I honestly aint mad about the two OOB sacks...they cost us less than five yards total. But the ball was safe, our QB was safe, and we moved to the next play. certainly dont want kyler risking injury to get back to the LOS

 

[oaken1]

I actually think we saw flashes of this last year. He’s a great athlete with good anticipation. Just needs seasoning. I think he, Garrett and Will may end up being a fantastic trio for years. Add in rabbit and that’s four defensive backs that are young and can grow together.

in 2029 we gonna have a $100mil backfield

 

[MadCardDisease]

I honestly aint mad about the two OOB sacks...they cost us less than five yards total. But the ball was safe, our QB was safe, and we moved to the next play. certainly dont want kyler risking injury to get back to the LOS

I think it is more him just throwing the ball away to prevent the loss of yards.