Cardinals at Saints.... opening weekend... official game day thread!!! 09/07/25

[daves]

if we are taking QBR as the determinate objective ranking

Kyler finished 2024 with the #9 in the NFL QBR -- a top 10 QB, measured over a far larger sample size.

Murray played pretty well in the Cards' 6-4 start. I haven't been able to find per-game QBRs but I'd love to see the splits between the first 10 games and the last 7. Actually, I think we hardly need to see them, we know what they'd show.

The fact that he started out this season with a 21st-place clunker vs. a far below average team is concerning.

 

[Adrian]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Kyler has done this since he entered the league. Not sure why he just doesn't throw it away. It's like his mind goes blank when he is being chased to the sideline.

It also means he has no spatial awareness of where he is. That’s an issue.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

i think he's just hoping something will open up

With his last step? Throw the ball away.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Exactly! He’s been an elusive QB ALL his life, so it’s embedded in his DNA. Trust me, if the Cardinals coaches wanted that completely removed from his skill set, we’d see even less of it.

So now the argument is extended to the coaches being okay with losing yardage because . . . reasons.

You can’t make up this level of ridiculous argument.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That in no way precludes him from, at the last second when there is no play to be had, chucking it OOB. It is rookie stupidity that no vet QB should be doing.

But the coaches are okay with it. Negative plays are okay . . . lol.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He does less of it than he used to, but it’s part of his DNA. And I honestly don’t believe that JG wants that part of his DNA completely removed. His legs are an important part of his skillset, so it’s instinctual for him to run. Would love to hear what the coaches tell him behind closed doors.

So far this season I believe he’s 2/2 on this boneheaded play

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

On the plus side, he didn't panic, try to throw it away and end up with an interception...

In year 6 I can’t believe this is an argument in his favor. “At least he didn’t do something disastrous!”

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

all off season the talk was about our near all pro slot corner...how he will advance etc...
and suddenly nobody has a word for him, lol...its the other two guys.
This is a very good sign

Not hearing Garrett’s name is the greatest thing you can say about a corner.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

the grading scale has slid an awful lot over the years. When I was a kid(so it should qualify for most of us since most of you guys are old as dirt) it was
A- Average
B-Below Average
C-Catch up
D-Declining
F-Failing
Of course, I went to school in California...and the place had standards (back then)...the only mark for an above average was
A+.....and it covered everything from slightly above average to hitting the stratosphere. Occasionally your teacher, in order to get a message across to your parents, would put an A++ on your report card.
By that scale Kyler was right around an A-...on the low side of average

How old ARE you?!?

I’m 56 and I’ve never heard of that.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The one thing that nobody is talking about on that bomb to MHJr is that Kyler had a perfect pocket from his OL on that play.

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I did bring it up. I also thought it was a blitz, but it looks like only a four man rush.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

agree. My only caveat would be, on the self imposed stats...it may have been a ball security issue..if he was unaware of exactly how close the defender behind him was. In order to throw the ball away it has to go down field, otherwise it becomes intentional grounding...and the way the refs treated us yesterday they surely would have called it.... but even throwing it OOB you gotta be safe...since he was being inaccurate throwing on the run...tossing the ball 10 yards down field in the direction of say, wilson,...if its off target it may end up just in bounds and a live ball.
I honestly aint mad about the two OOB sacks...they cost us less than five yards total. But the ball was safe, our QB was safe, and we moved to the next play. certainly dont want kyler risking injury to get back to the LOS

Holy canoli that’s some major league mental gymnastics. How do other QBs throw the ball away outta bounds without throwing an interception that I witness every week?!? They must be next level magicians!

Guys, it’s a dumb play that he’s done his entire career. Stop trying to come up with excuses why this time it was (a) part of the gameplan (my favorite), (b) okay with the coaches, or (c) to avoid throwing an incredibly unlikely interception. It’s okay to admit it’s just a really dumb play that Kyler can’t seem to learn to avoid.

 

[oaken1]

Holy canoli that’s some major league mental gymnastics. How do other QBs throw the ball away outta bounds without throwing an interception that I witness every week?!? They must be next level magicians!

Guys, it’s a dumb play that he’s done his entire career. Stop trying to come up with excuses why this time it was (a) part of the gameplan (my favorite), (b) okay with the coaches, or (c) to avoid throwing an incredibly unlikely interception. It’s okay to admit it’s just a really dumb play that Kyler can’t seem to learn to avoid.

Any time the ball is in the air the likelihood of a turnover goes up exponentially...it also goes up dramatically when a QB gets sacked.
If avoiding that risk costs us two yards I am completely fine with that.

 

[Cardiac]

Holy canoli that’s some major league mental gymnastics. How do other QBs throw the ball away outta bounds without throwing an interception that I witness every week?!? They must be next level magicians!

Guys, it’s a dumb play that he’s done his entire career. Stop trying to come up with excuses why this time it was (a) part of the gameplan (my favorite), (b) okay with the coaches, or (c) to avoid throwing an incredibly unlikely interception. It’s okay to admit it’s just a really dumb play that Kyler can’t seem to learn to avoid.

In some/most it's a dumb play. His 2 sacks where he slid just before the line of scrimmage are non issues for me.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yet people rushed to blame the O line for Kyler's performance.

It’s muscle memory. They do it like Kyler running outta bounds 1 or 2 yards short of the line of scrimmage without throwing the ball away outta bounds. . .

 

[Stout]

Any time the ball is in the air the likelihood of a turnover goes up exponentially...it also goes up dramatically when a QB gets sacked.
If avoiding that risk costs us two yards I am completely fine with that.

WTF are we even talking about? You're out of the pocket. Is he some noodle arm that can't space it over the sideline? Who is picking the ball up when he dumps it OOB a yard from the sideline? Some real mental gymnastics to try to excuse rookie mistakes.

 

[Shane]

Any time the ball is in the air the likelihood of a turnover goes up exponentially...it also goes up dramatically when a QB gets sacked.
If avoiding that risk costs us two yards I am completely fine with that.

yea no just no to this. Any quarterback can get rid of the ball without losing yardage or risking a turnover if they want to.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So either a top 10 QB or a bottom 10. Pick the stat for your argument

I’ll go with the better stat, QBR.

 

[oaken1]

WTF are we even talking about? You're out of the pocket. Is he some noodle arm that can't space it over the sideline? Who is picking the ball up when he dumps it OOB a yard from the sideline? Some real mental gymnastics to try to excuse rookie mistakes.

It still has to be in the vicinity of a receiver doesn't it?
Clear the los?

I dunno...maybe I'm thinking of the still in the pocket rules...New meds

 

[Shane]

It still has to be in the vicinity of a receiver doesn't it?
Clear the los?

I dunno...maybe I'm thinking of the still in the pocket rules...New meds

It does have to cross the LOS but that’s not hard to do lol. Launch it out of bounds. Losing even one yard is beyond stupid. 1 yard has killed 1000s of drives.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Any time the ball is in the air the likelihood of a turnover goes up exponentially...it also goes up dramatically when a QB gets sacked.
If avoiding that risk costs us two yards I am completely fine with that.

I’m going to guess that the percentage of plays where a QB is running out of bounds and throws the ball away into the bench resulting in an interception is less than one percent. Unfortunately there’s likely zero data on that.

 

[Shane]

I’m going to guess that the percentage of plays where a QB is running out of bounds and throws the ball away into the bench resulting in an interception is less than one percent. Unfortunately there’s likely zero data on that.

like .000000001 % lol

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

In some/most it's a dumb play. His 2 sacks where he slid just before the line of scrimmage are non issues for me.

No one is talking about those plays.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

WTF are we even talking about? You're out of the pocket. Is he some noodle arm that can't space it over the sideline? Who is picking the ball up when he dumps it OOB a yard from the sideline? Some real mental gymnastics to try to excuse rookie mistakes.

Magicians! Wizardry!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

yea no just no to this. Any quarterback can get rid of the ball without losing yardage or risking a turnover if they want to.

Only tom Brady. And Harry Potter.