Cardinals at Saints.... opening weekend... official game day thread!!! 09/07/25

[oaken1]

pocket?? Hell, Thats the Great Wall of Arizona

The one thing that nobody is talking about on that bomb to MHJr is that Kyler had a perfect pocket from his OL on that play.

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[keith wenzel]

Everybody is kinda down on the defensive line but the saints never even tried to go down field much and when they did johnson made the pick. I liked the fact we tackled and very little after the catch. Pressure was there so the ball had to get out

 

[MadCardDisease]

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[PACardsFan]

As I watched the game yesterday it was apparent that the game plan was don't give up chunk plays and burn time of the clock. IIRC 2 of Kyler's sacks were sliding short of the line of scrimmage. Since he does take bone head sacks instead of simply throwing the ball away I agree it's something he refuses to correct or it's to help his completion %.
An outside chance that on those 2 sacks it was to keep the clock running???

JG in his post game interview commended him for taking the sack to keep the clock running.

 

[Adrian]

Where was that Cardinals' revamped pass rush in 2025 opener?

The Arizona Cardinals pass rushers didn't blow up the New Orleans Saints' backfield like many thought they would on Sunday. Why?

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[BritCard]

easy: no turnovers vs 2 TD passes.

on a day where the running game constantly put them behind the sticks.

Lamar Jackson had 200 yards passing + 70 yards rushing. B. Also the benefit of Derrick Henry going 18/ 169 yards and 2 tds.

Allen -- clearly an A. Carried the entire offense on his back.

If Allen is an A and Kyler was B what the heck were the 15+ quarterback that were better than Kyler?

 

[BritCard]

About that O line sucking

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[BritCard]

JG in his post game interview commended him for taking the sack to keep the clock running.

Uh? His 2 slides behind the LOS were in the first quarter

 

[kerouac9]

About that O line sucking

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I think it’s just a thing where if the QB ever has to move off his spot the OL is terrible.

OL was fine yesterday.

 

[football karma]

If Allen is an A and Kyler was B what the heck were the 15+ quarterback that were better than Kyler?

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here is one measure. If its a forced distribution, 6 QBs per letter grade -- Kyler is 9th, so "B"

 

[Shane]

About that O line sucking

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This literally matches my eyes from yesterday. There were plenty of plays where Kyler had more than enough time to throw.

 

[BritCard]

This literally matches my eyes from yesterday. There were plenty of plays where Kyler had more than enough time to throw.

Yet people rushed to blame the O line for Kyler's performance.

 

[daves]

right?
The D wasnt "Bad" but it took them a bit to settle in...and they were not great
but everyone would have different feelings about the defense and the game as a whole had Johnsons INT not been called back on an obvious home field advantage call... they never call that when its all the way across the field from the play...but they did.
gotta chalk it up to, "well its week one for the officials too"
but it was a ******** call...negating a great play by a young guy in his first pro game.
had that not been called it is an entirely different game... but I think it is wy te refs gave us tat bullsit call in the fourth, as a makeup call

This is nonsense. When officials see an obvious penalty, they throw a flag. They don't wait to see the outcome of the play, then use their judgement as to whether the foul had a significant impact.

Further, had the Cards not committed defensive holding on the play, maybe Rattler would've thrown a completion to the open guy over the middle rather than trying the bomb to the end zone.

Complaining about that call is the worst kind of homer whining.

 

[BritCard]

Would the better option here not have been to hand it off?

The RB side is well blocked. I'd fancy the RB to score. Instead Kyler runs to 2 unblocked guys.

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[Chopper0080]

I think it’s just a thing where if the QB ever has to move off his spot the OL is terrible.

OL was fine yesterday.

It points out good context that a low pressure rate is pressure on 24% of Kyler's dropbacks. 1 of of every 4 or 7-8 or so throughout the game.

 

[daves]

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here is one measure. If its a forced distribution, 6 QBs per letter grade -- Kyler is 9th, so "B"

His Passer Rating was super inflated by his high completion rate on extremely short yards per attempt, which is why, while not perfect, QBR is a much better indicator of how much a QB contributed via both efficiency and EPA, including his rising, and accounting for game situation and opponent strength.

Sort the table by QBR and you'll see that Murray was 21st, or a solid D by your measure.

 

[Goodyear Card]

From these grades it does not seen the Saints OL and DL are the strength of the team. https://saintswire.usatoday.com/sto...ts-demario-davis-spencer-rattler/86041310007/

 

[Dback Jon]

His Passer Rating was super inflated by his high completion rate on extremely short yards per attempt, which is why, while not perfect, QBR is a much better indicator of how much a QB contributed via both efficiency and EPA, including his rising, and accounting for game situation and opponent strength.

Sort the table by QBR and you'll see that Murray was 21st, or a solid D by your measure.

So either a top 10 QB or a bottom 10. Pick the stat for your argument

 

[Dback Jon]

His Passer Rating was super inflated by his high completion rate on extremely short yards per attempt, which is why, while not perfect, QBR is a much better indicator of how much a QB contributed via both efficiency and EPA, including his rising, and accounting for game situation and opponent strength.

Sort the table by QBR and you'll see that Murray was 21st, or a solid D by your measure.

According to QBR, Brock Purdy had a better game than Josh Allen. My eyes tell me differently

 

[oaken1]

This is nonsense. When officials see an obvious penalty, they throw a flag. They don't wait to see the outcome of the play, then use their judgement as to whether the foul had a significant impact.

Further, had the Cards not committed defensive holding on the play, maybe Rattler would've thrown a completion to the open guy over the middle rather than trying the bomb to the end zone.

Complaining about that call is the worst kind of homer whining.

did I say they waited to see the outcome? I dont recall... I said it was bullsit and it was... that situation, sans INT, happens every week in the NFL and when the penalty is well away from the action the officials dont call it
but maybe I am a homer, you might be on to something

 

[kerouac9]

Would the better option here not have been to hand it off?

The RB side is well blocked. I'd fancy the RB to score. Instead Kyler runs to 2 unblocked guys.

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Kyler can’t read the option?

 

[602 Native]

JG in his post game interview commended him for taking the sack to keep the clock running.

JG is a moron he doesn't know anything about ball.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

JG is a moron he doesn't know anything about ball.

" you got some issues stan - i think you need some counselin' "

 

[Adrian]

Snap Judgments For The Saints Game

Lots of Rabbit Taylor-Demerson as Cardinals lean into three safeties

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[football karma]

His Passer Rating was super inflated by his high completion rate on extremely short yards per attempt, which is why, while not perfect, QBR is a much better indicator of how much a QB contributed via both efficiency and EPA, including his rising, and accounting for game situation and opponent strength.

Sort the table by QBR and you'll see that Murray was 21st, or a solid D by your measure.

if we are taking QBR as the determinate objective ranking

Kyler finished 2024 with the #9 in the NFL QBR -- a top 10 QB, measured over a far larger sample size.

Choose your fighter!

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