2023 1st round pick is #6 Paris Johnson

[kerouac9]

Paris Johnson Jr. is quietly one of the best left tackles in the NFL

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Well if this Twitter guy I’ve never heard of is saying it…

 

[TheCardFan]

Well if this Twitter guy I’ve never heard of is saying it…

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[Shane]

Well if this Twitter guy I’ve never heard of is saying it…

Haters gonna hate. Paris is a good player.

 

[kerouac9]

Haters gonna hate. Paris is a good player.

I agree. He’s a good player. He’s a good teammate and leader.

We still screwed up the selection.

 

[Shane]

We still screwed up the selection.

Completely and totally debatable.

 

[kerouac9]

Completely and totally debatable.

Well I mean compare the records, playoff appearances, awards, etc., etc.

But a couple of tweets are also really solid. Teach the controversy, I say.

 

[BACH]

Well I mean compare the records, playoff appearances, awards, etc., etc.

But a couple of tweets are also really solid. Teach the controversy, I say.

So…
What is the statistical correlation between the play of the blindside tackle and records, playoff appearances, awards, etc., etc.?

What is the statistical correlation between the play of one single player and records, playoff appearances, awards, etc., etc. for the entire team?

Love that you just make up stuff and present it as facts to debunk other opinions.

 

[kerouac9]

So…
What is the statistical correlation between the play of the blindside tackle and records, playoff appearances, awards, etc., etc.?

What is the statistical correlation between the play of one single player and records, playoff appearances, awards, etc., etc. for the entire team?

Love that you just make up stuff and present it as facts to debunk other opinions.

The facts are what they are. This is a worse argument for Paris than some tweets.

 

[football karma]

We still screwed up the selection.

broad comparison:

arguably the Cards screwed up the selection of Larry Fitzgerald -- they could have taken either Roethlisberger or Philip Rivers.

but if you are going to screw up a selection -- at least get a really good player out of it.

That same draft, the Raiders had a chance at all three of those players and took Robert Gallery. That is REALLY screwing up a pick

 

[kerouac9]

broad comparison:

arguably the Cards screwed up the selection of Larry Fitzgerald -- they could have taken either Roethlisberger or Philip Rivers.

but if you are going to screw up a selection -- at least get a really good player out of it.

That same draft, the Raiders had a chance at all three of those players and took Robert Gallery. That is REALLY screwing up a pick

Yes obviously it wasn’t a catastrophe but a left tackle only needs to be good enough. A pass rusher needs to be really good.

We’ve used three First- and second-round picks plus signed a top free agent in the hopes that we’ll find someone as good as Will Anderson is right now (and he’s still getting better).

There just isn’t much marginal improvement from the third-best LT in the game to the 12th. All are good enough.

Especially if we wanted to keep a 2-3 TE base offense that structurally protects the tackles.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I like Paris Johnson and think he'll be an all pro one day. So, it's hard to argue that pick especially when it looked like we'd have 2 top 5 picks the following year with the trade.
That said, I still would've taken Anderson.

 

[Stout]

broad comparison:

arguably the Cards screwed up the selection of Larry Fitzgerald -- they could have taken either Roethlisberger or Philip Rivers.

but if you are going to screw up a selection -- at least get a really good player out of it.

That same draft, the Raiders had a chance at all three of those players and took Robert Gallery. That is REALLY screwing up a pick

I wanted Roethlisberger, but am happy with Fitz.

 

[Stout]

I like Paris Johnson and think he'll be an all pro one day. So, it's hard to argue that pick especially when it looked like we'd have 2 top 5 picks the following year with the trade.
That said, I still would've taken Anderson.

Eh, nothing about him screams all pro. He's a solid LT for sure, but not a Big John.

 

[Ronin]

I like him.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Eh, nothing about him screams all pro. He's a solid LT for sure, but not a Big John.

What do you see wrong with his game.? He's only going to get better and is already trending toward a top LT.
Big, athletic, motivated and great feet.

He's going to be a top 5 LT. Might already be.

 

[kerouac9]

What do you see wrong with his game.? He's only going to get better and is already trending toward a top LT.
Big, athletic, motivated and great feet.

He's going to be a top 5 LT. Might already be.

National writers say he’s not particularly physical and doesn’t move people in the run game as much as you’d like in a top tackle. Don’t kill the messenger.

I think it’s exceptionally hard to distinguish among OTs who are not hall of famers and those who are slightly better than The Captain was.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

strange thing is I remember his rookie year at RT, he blew people up in the run game.

Not to make this a Kyler thread but I think he'd be even better anchoring the left side with a QB that spends more time in the pocket.

 

[kerouac9]

strange thing is I remember his rookie year at RT, he blew people up in the run game.

Not to make this a Kyler thread but I think he'd be even better anchoring the left side with a QB that spends more time in the pocket.

And he’d probably be better with a better player than Evan Brown next to him. He strikes me as a guy who could make three pro bowls in a 12 year career. He’d have to play on better teams than this one for that to happen.

 

[Stout]

National writers say he’s not particularly physical and doesn’t move people in the run game as much as you’d like in a top tackle. Don’t kill the messenger.

I think it’s exceptionally hard to distinguish among OTs who are not hall of famers and those who are slightly better than The Captain was.

Plus, to be a Big John, it's not enough to say he's just not a bad player; he has to be elite, and he is not.

 

[Garthshort]

I like Paris Johnson and think he'll be an all pro one day. So, it's hard to argue that pick especially when it looked like we'd have 2 top 5 picks the following year with the trade.
That said, I still would've taken Anderson.

The value of hindsight. JMO, but I think , at the time you do what Monti did.

 

[BirdGangThing]

paris was fine at #6 but anderson was better at #3 especially with how monti got d-robbed

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Plus, to be a Big John, it's not enough to say he's just not a bad player; he has to be elite, and he is not.

He's on his way. Most OTs earn their rep over time but there are guys who are dominant from day 1, like Joe Thomas and his short arms, lol.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The value of hindsight. JMO, but I think , at the time you do what Monti did.

Yes, hindsight. Paris and Robinson vs. Anderson.
Anderson wins easily. But I see the trade value at the time. Not bagging on Monti about that.

 

[BACH]

The facts are what they are. This is a worse argument for Paris than some tweets.

No there are not. You are making it up and claiming a butterfly effect that you have zero facts to show a correlation.

By your argument, Jeffrey Simmons is the worst draft pick ever. The Titans has by some statistics been the worst team ever since the drafted him.

 

[football karma]

i guess on earth 2:

the Cards take Will Anderson and then Joe Alt the next year. Not sure who is playing WR for them -- maybe Ladd McConkey