Rookie playing time

[Cbus cardsfan]

For those expecting a big impact from rookies on the field in year, I heard an interesting stat during an interview with Andrew Berry, the Browns GM. He said only 32% of drafted players averaged 17 snaps per game as rookies. I found that kind of amazing. When you consider high 1st rounders, like Paris last year and QB's like YOung and Stroud that get thrown into the fire, you're not getting much from later in the draft in terms of PT.

 

[CardNots]

Two factors.

Players chosen lower are normally going to good teams where the rookie needs to earn his playing time.

The other factor rookies are trying to take a current NFL player’s job.

Veterans have the benefit of experience, nfl level coaching and weight training. Being men not boys they are stronger generally and most importantly families they are trying to feed

 

[Stout]

For those expecting a big impact from rookies on the field in year, I heard an interesting stat during an interview with Andrew Berry, the Browns GM. He said only 32% of drafted players averaged 17 snaps per game as rookies. I found that kind of amazing. When you consider high 1st rounders, like Paris last year and QB's like YOung and Stroud that get thrown into the fire, you're not getting much from later in the draft in terms of PT.

And yet posters want more magic beans than the 6 picks in the first 3 rounds we have, as if all of them will magically sprout into starters *sigh*

 

[Mulli]

And yet posters want more magic beans than the 6 picks in the first 3 rounds we have, as if all of them will magically sprout into starters *sigh*

Not all posters, sir!

 

[Proximo]

And yet posters want more magic beans than the 6 picks in the first 3 rounds we have, as if all of them will magically sprout into starters *sigh*

If it takes them 2 years that’s fine too.

The idea this team is going to compete for the Super Bowl this year is ludicrous.

 

[bankybruce]

And yet posters want more magic beans than the 6 picks in the first 3 rounds we have, as if all of them will magically sprout into starters *sigh*

It all depends on the position and round picked. The first 3 rounds see more playing time on average. OL, TE and LB see the most long term success, regardless of the round. Also, the 1st overall pick, on average, has one of the shorter careers of the players picked in the first 3 round

For our rookies last year.

1. Paris Johnson 100% of snaps
2. BJ Ojulari 38% of snaps
3. Garrett Williams 32% of snaps
3. Michael Wilson 62% of snaps
4. Jon Gaines 0% of snaps
5. Clayton Tune 5% of snaps
5. Owen Pappoe 11% of snaps
6. Kei'Trel Clark 42% of snaps
6. Dante Stills 48% of snaps

A lot of these guys played ST too. Owen Pappoe played 60% of the ST. Aside from Gaines who was hurt and Tune, we saw a lot of usage all around, especially when Williams was cleared. Ojulari was the biggest disappointment from an usage standpoint.

But it is an absolute crap shoot.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If it takes them 2 years that’s fine too.

The idea this team is going to compete for the Super Bowl this year is ludicrous.

What’s ludicrous is your utterly baseless implication that anyone has said anything like that last sentence.

 

[Proximo]

What’s ludicrous is your utterly baseless implication that anyone has said anything like that last sentence.

The whole thread is implying it.

Why does anyone care how much they play in the rookie season, this is a multi year rebuild.

 

[oaken1]

The whole thread is implying it.

Why does anyone care how much they play in the rookie season, this is a multi year rebuild.

While I agree with your premise it is nice to get players talented enough to make meaningful contributions right away.

 

[kerouac9]

The idea this team is going to compete for the Super Bowl this year is ludicrous.

Literally no one has said this.

 

[Stout]

If it takes them 2 years that’s fine too.

The idea this team is going to compete for the Super Bowl this year is ludicrous.

That you think they will all magically turn into starters no matter the timeline says all we need to say on this topic. The vast preponderance of the evidence says you don't know how the draft works out for players taken.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That you think they will all magically turn into starters no matter the timeline says all we need to say on this topic. The vast preponderance of the evidence says you don't know how the draft works out for players taken.

Where did he say that?

 

[bankybruce]

The truth is that a bad team, like we were last year, will see rookies play more snaps and games. We are still a bad team, so I expect rookies to still make an impact on the snap count. How those rookies play will dictate if we are still bad or an averageish team looking to make the big jump in 2025. I honestly think this draft is more important than last year's since we need to see substantial progress. We need to at least double our win total to feel like we are heading on the right direction.

 

[kerouac9]

The truth is that a bad team, like we were last year, will see rookies play more snaps and games. We are still a bad team, so I expect rookies to still make an impact on the snap count. How those rookies play will dictate if we are still bad or an averageish team looking to make the big jump in 2025. I honestly think this draft is more important than last year's since we need to see substantial progress. We need to at least double our win total to feel like we are heading on the right direction.

Only two rookies from the 2023 draft class saw significant snaps throughout the season -- Wilson and PJJ. That's a problem for a team that's trying to build through the draft. You hope that Ojulari and Garrett Williams earn or are given more snaps, but that's firmly a hope situation.

We have all these third round picks -- it's an interesting question of where the second and third rounders would slot into this roster. I think "starting" jobs are available at:

WR1
WR3 (Sorry Greg)
CB1
CB2
EDGE (2 down)
EDGE (Pass Rush Specialist)
RB2
TE2
IDL
LG/IOL

If we're not going to invest in Tier 1 or Tier 2 free agents, we have to hit on the positions above to move forward.

 

[Stout]

Where did he say that?

My post said: And yet posters want more magic beans than the 6 picks in the first 3 rounds we have, as if all of them will magically sprout into starters *sigh*

His post quoting mine said:
If it takes them 2 years that’s fine too.

The idea this team is going to compete for the Super Bowl this year is ludicrous.


Now, that's verbatim, and, unless he misstated his position, that's exactly where he said it, thanks much.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

My post said: And yet posters want more magic beans than the 6 picks in the first 3 rounds we have, as if all of them will magically sprout into starters *sigh*

His post quoting mine said:
If it takes them 2 years that’s fine too.

The idea this team is going to compete for the Super Bowl this year is ludicrous.


Now, that's verbatim, and, unless he misstated his position, that's exactly where he said it, thanks much.

He said IF, not that they would. You are the one reading into his position that he didn't say.

 

[Stout]

He said IF, not that they would. You are the one reading into his position that he didn't say.

Try to keep up with the thread, DCR. "If it takes them 2 years that's fine too." The topic of the thread is percentage of snaps in their rookie seasons. So, "if it takes them two years [to become starters] that's fine too." Extra context is his shot that we aren't competing for the SB this year. I can't believe I had to explain all that, geeze.

 

[Mulli]

Hug it out

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Try to keep up with the thread, DCR. "If it takes them 2 years that's fine too." The topic of the thread is percentage of snaps in their rookie seasons. So, "if it takes them two years [to become starters] that's fine too." Extra context is his shot that we aren't competing for the SB this year. I can't believe I had to explain all that, geeze.

You didn't need to say all of that. It isn't me that is confusing the word if.

 

[bankybruce]

TBF - BJ and Garrett were injured and we knew that, so the plan was never to start them at the beginning of the year.

Garrett was near 66% in the games he played. I'm not too worried about him.

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BJs slowly ramped up and did play all 17 games, but seems sooooo gassed late in the season as he ramped up. Hopefully he fixes that.

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[kerouac9]

I'm not convinced that the team knew Ojulari was injured through the draft process. Also, he didn't play very well in the snaps that he did get.

Myjai Sanders had 3 sacks and 9 pressures in 259 snaps his rookie season.

Ojulari had 4 sacks and 8 pressures (ugh) in 409 snaps.

Maybe the additional production was all the JJ Watt and Zach Allen effect.

 

[Stout]

You didn't need to say all of that. It isn't me that is confusing the word if.

I guess if you want to be wrong, you might as well do it loud and proud, @dreamcastrocks.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I guess if you want to be wrong, you might as well do it loud and proud, @dreamcastrocks.

Very clever.