So, who wants to hate on our draft??

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I didn't love the Cardinals draft but also don't think it was terrible. I think you can debate it being in the C to B- range.
Chopper, I very much respect your knowledge and opinions of this team and game. As much as I want to give our draft grade an A+ :D (I am a koolaider), I realize you're grade is much closer to the actual grade.

It seems from the people's grades that are given on ESPN (I only read 1 or 2 of them) that almost every team hits a homerun (at least to me).
I very seldom see a score below a b or even a c.

After saying all that, I give our draft grade an
"A" . :koolaid:
 

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Chopper, I very much respect your knowledge and opinions of this team and game. As much as I want to give our draft grade an A+ :D (I am a koolaider), I realize you're grade is much closer to the actual grade.

It seems from the people's grades that are given on ESPN (I only read 1 or 2 of them) that almost every team hits a homerun (at least to me).
I very seldom see a score below a b or even a c.

After saying all that, I give our draft grade an
"A" . :koolaid:
My quibbles are probably impacted by how I think these picks will work out as much as the picks that were made. I am happy you are happy.
 

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I will say I'm more excited about the team after this draft. There is a potential superstar from this draft. I really like Mike Wilson and Big Play Trey. I'm a Paris Johnson Jr fan. Beck at least offers a glimmer of hope with his pedigree and the potential that he can get better.

The defense is largely the same, but there can be growth from a number of players.
How about we kick the tires on Taylor decker and boss as one year band aids?
 

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I'll try one more analogy:
Let's say you put all your savings/401K (your hopes and dreams in the cardinals) in the trust of your financial advisor (Bidwill) he tells you after 3 yrs all your dreams will come true and you can go buy that new boat/car you've always wanted but then, the market crashes (3-14 season) and all your money (hopes and dreams) are gone. You're BLOODY;) pissed. Now you're left with nothing but hate and regret and your financial advisor (Little Bill) walks away with no consequences whatsoever and still makes his commission. There are a lot of members here that have seen the "market" crash over and over the past 20+ yrs. Some disgruntlement is to be expected.
But tomorrow is another day :)
This Zen crap is giving me a headache....Now that's funny right there!!
Nice edit, Mod Masters ;)
A) if the market crashes it isn’t your advisor’s fault.
B) if it’s a commission and the market crashes your advisors take is similarly hurt.
C) if the “market crashed” in the nfl that would mean all teams suddenly sucked to different degrees. That’s not what happened last year. The cardinals were a part of a special group who sucked. That means the market didn’t crash, the advisor (Mikey) was terrible with his specific investment decisions for your account.
 

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A) if the market crashes it isn’t your advisor’s fault.
B) if it’s a commission and the market crashes your advisors take is similarly hurt.
C) if the “market crashed” in the nfl that would mean all teams suddenly sucked to different degrees. That’s not what happened last year. The cardinals were a part of a special group who sucked. That means the market didn’t crash, the advisor (Mikey) was terrible with his specific investment decisions for your account.
A) You're right
B) You're right
C) in my scenario the "market" was strictly the cardinals but yes, again you're right
D) it was meant to explain to some members why there are sooo many negative posts and it was due to all the disappointing seasons over the years. But I've obviously failed due to my egregiously inaccurate analogy. I never said I was a lawyer or worked in the financial district ;) LOL
 
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A) You're right
B) You're right
C) in my scenario the "market" was strictly the cardinals but yes, again you're right
D) it was meant to explain to some members why there are sooo many negative posts and it was due to all the disappointing seasons over the years. But I've obviously failed due to my egregiously inaccurate analogy. I never said I was a lawyer or worked in the financial district ;) LOL
but Ouchie is.... thats why he jumped in with the clarifications.
 

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I also look at, say you draft 7 guys, and 6 start. Some say that is a great draft. IDK, it depends. If the talent on your roster was so weak to start with, that basically anyone could start, was it really that great of a draft? The Cards don't have all that great of talent overall. So when they draft and guys can't start, you start to wonder if the picks were that good to begin with. This draft there are guys like Love, that I think would start on most teams, so maybe this might be a decent draft overall. We just have to wait to see how it all plays out. It's all relative to the talent level you have on the team to begin with.
 

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I also look at, say you draft 7 guys, and 6 start. Some say that is a great draft. IDK, it depends. If the talent on your roster was so weak to start with, that basically anyone could start, was it really that great of a draft? The Cards don't have all that great of talent overall. So when they draft and guys can't start, you start to wonder if the picks were that good to begin with. This draft there are guys like Love, that I think would start on most teams, so maybe this might be a decent draft overall. We just have to wait to see how it all plays out. It's all relative to the talent level you have on the team to begin with.
Yes, but building thru the draft is a step by step proposition. You don't get multiple high picks very often. And if your team sucks and 6 of your 7 players drafted are starting, that's a sign of overall improvement talent-wise. That should be lauded. Thats a good draft, and its step one. Then you have to try and take another one the following year. I wouldnt want Monti's job. Not for a second.
 

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Yes, but building thru the draft is a step by step proposition. You don't get multiple high picks very often. And if your team sucks and 6 of your 7 players drafted are starting, that's a sign of overall improvement talent-wise. That should be lauded. Thats a good draft, and its step one. Then you have to try and take another one the following year. I wouldnt want Monti's job. Not for a second.
That's what I am saying. You have to counter the draft with the overall talent level of the team. If you keep being one of the lower win teams, and keep getting these top picks, and you still haven't moved up in the win column, you could argue the drafts aren't that great. I think guys like Paris Johnson are underrated building blocks you need for example. He's obviously had some good picks. Just not enough of them. Hoping this draft grades out better when we look back a couple seasons from now. I want him to succeed.
 

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And if your team sucks and 6 of your 7 players drafted are starting, that's a sign of overall improvement talent-wise.
It’s not if they’re not playing starting-quality football. It just means the GM jettisoned a bunch of players to make room for his guys.

Neither Darius Robinson nor Dante Stills beat anyone out for their jobs. Cory Simon was an abomination out there. None of these dudes are really feathers in Monti’s cap. Especially when neither PJJ nor MHJ have seemed to develop into top-shelf players.
 

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I don't think Monti is the worst GM. I also wouldn't put him up there in the top GMs in the league. I think he's average so far. You can have an average GM, if you have really good coaches. Really good coaches can use players to their strengths, develop guys, etc. Bidwill has had some difficulty getting the right guys into these jobs. On the plus side, Bidwill realizes when it's not working and pulls the plug on the bad choices instead of sticking with them for ego reasons. I just hope he's going to hit on the set up in the organization. You get that right, they start picking the right guys, coaches start utilizing and developing those guys, and there's the synergy there. Arizona fans deserve some good years of football.
 

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I think he's average so far.
Just an average GM whose teams are losing more than twice as often as they win. Very much like Eric Decosta in that way, except the results are nearly the opposite.
 

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Just an average GM whose teams are losing more than twice as often as they win. Very much like Eric Decosta in that way, except the results are nearly the opposite.
Coaching has been part of that story, too. QB has been the hugest part. The decision to hang with Kyler so long, has been a big part of that. Now we can bring in some young guys, or do what worked before with bringing in a Warner or Palmer. Hart was a childhood favorite back in the old days. If you don't have a good QB, you are going to suffer in the NFL.
 

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Coaching has been part of that story, too. QB has been the hugest part. The decision to hang with Kyler so long, has been a big part of that. Now we can bring in some young guys, or do what worked before with bringing in a Warner or Palmer. Hart was a childhood favorite back in the old days. If you don't have a good QB, you are going to suffer in the NFL.
The coach he picked. The QB he said he was thrilled to have when he was hired.

Very average GM stuff.
 

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The coach he picked. The QB he said he was thrilled to have when he was hired.
not to mention doing absolutely nothing in the way of getting ready to replace that QB when it was pretty apparent that he had as short of a leash as he did... and then not bothering to replace him after he was gone as well.
 

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not to mention doing absolutely nothing in the way of getting ready to replace that QB when it was pretty apparent that he had as short of a leash as he did... and then not bothering to replace him after he was gone as well.
And then having JACOBY BRISSETT running to the press complaining about how his contract situation is being handled.

It’s extremely average to be in a contract dispute with one of the 10 worst starting QBs in the league.
 

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He could not take the job or have a more compelling escape plan.
These are very elite jobs. Is every situation perfect? Nope. I think pretty much most guys will say what they think will get them hired. He also could have been told, "Kyler's our guy. Make it work."
 

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And then having JACOBY BRISSETT running to the press complaining about how his contract situation is being handled.

It’s extremely average to be in a contract dispute with one of the 10 worst starting QBs in the league.
I'm going to regret this, but, you and Books went back and forth this morning about posting assumptions which in turn causes the board members to take it as fact.
Do you know for a fact that Jacoby Brissett went to the press. And was he in fact, actually running?? LOLOLOL
 

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These are very elite jobs. Is every situation perfect? Nope. I think pretty much most guys will say what they think will get them hired. He also could have been told, "Kyler's our guy. Make it work."
Well he’s not immune from criticism then. Guys who are confident they can exceed at a job they’re ready for don’t act like that.

Again, his w/l record, hiring record, and draft record speaks for itself. It’s embarrassing.
 

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Well he’s not immune from criticism then. Guys who are confident they can exceed at a job they’re ready for don’t act like that.

Again, his w/l record, hiring record, and draft record speaks for itself. It’s embarrassing.
I would like a better GM, but arguably we have had worse. It starts with Bidwill hiring him to start with. I know if I was Bidwill, by now I would be doubting my judgment in hiring. LOL.
 

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I would like a better GM, but arguably we have had worse. It starts with Bidwill hiring him to start with. I know if I was Bidwill, by now I would be doubting my judgment in hiring. LOL.
Honestly it’s hard to argue that Monti isn’t worse than both Keim and Graves. We’re entering season five of his leadership with zero hope and maybe two blue chip players — zero of whom he drafted.

We tanked for MHJ and he may not be a top 40 wide receiver.
 
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