If the Cardinals select Jeremiyah Love with the 3rd pick, I will be.....

[oaken1]

I'm only in on the OL if we trade down. If we cant I'd want one of the pass rushers or Downs. I fear Bain is going to go to the Chiefs and wreck the league for the next 11 years.

Rankings are relative. Think of it as a tiers than exact order that players should go in, a ton of players in this draft are really close to each other talent wise, thats why everyone wants to trade down. There's no way for draft gurus to accurately turn every players into numbers and say they should first, second, etc... When a guy goes 5-10 spots ahead of where Daniel Jeremiah ranked him on his big board that's not a reach.

Positional value, considering what values are available later in the draft/free agency, does matter when constructing the best roster possible. I won't pretend that it doesn't.

Love is a way better prospect than Mendoza, should the Raiders take him #1 overall? He is the best player! What a dumb team to not take the unquestioned best player Jeremiah Love. Why are they reaching for a mediocre prospect like Mendoza?

Your attempt at smartass is acknowledged. But Fernando Mendoza is not a mediocre player.

 

[Gandhi]

I think it makes sense to keep in mind that most – analyst, reporters, people on this board – were absolutely sure that Harrison would be an All-Pro pretty much after his rookie year. Just something to think about regarding Love.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I think it makes sense to keep in mind that most – analyst, reporters, people on this board – were absolutely sure that Harrison would be an All-Pro pretty much after his rookie year. Just something to think about regarding Love.

It's not a perfect science

Any player has the potential to bust or just be average

 

[Gandhi]

It's not a perfect science

Any player has the potential to bust or just be average

Yes, you would think that would be pretty logic. Not always the case. Many talk about can't miss-prospects.

 

[Stout]

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And?

 

[Stout]

Conner maybe has 1-2 yrs left and none of the replacements have shown anything so you need to look into the future. That is why I think Love is a good pick. Has Conner to mentor him for at least a year.

I think that is beyond wildly optimistic. He looked cooked before his injury last season.

 

[Stout]

I loved Fitzgerald, but Ben Roethlisberger would have been a much better choice.

I was banging the drum for Big Ben, but I think we made the right choice. Big Ben was notoriously immature, and it's said the veteran team really helped him in the 'Burgh. He wouldn't have had that support here.

 

[50 year card fan]

As long as the Round 2 pick is an OT....

 

[oaken1]

I was banging the drum for Big Ben, but I think we made the right choice. Big Ben was notoriously immature, and it's said the veteran team really helped him in the 'Burgh. He wouldn't have had that support here.

I never even looked at first rounders for that draft. Us hiring Denny Green, having the third pick, exactly when his God son was in the draft? There was never any question on who we would pick. similar to Kliff, #1, and Kyler.

It was always going to be Larry.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If we trade out of position of getting a high ceiling, potential start to take a Spencer Fano, I'm going to lose my mind. Picking that high, you take a chance on greatness.

Playing it safe in Vegas was Mayock when he took Celin Ferrel 4th overall because he was the "safe " pick. It helped get Mayock fired(even though he never should have been hired) and he admits he should have taken the riskier high ceiling player whne drafting that high.

 

[oaken1]

If we trade out of position of getting a high ceiling, potential start to take a Spencer Fano, I'm going to lose my mind. Picking that high, you take a chance on greatness.

Playing it safe in Vegas was Mayock when he took Celin Ferrel 4th overall because he was the "safe " pick. It helped get Mayock fired(even though he never should have been hired) and he admits he should have taken the riskier high ceiling player whne drafting that high.

Mayock learned a valuable yet cruel lesson right in front of God and everybody.
Dude was an outstanding evaluator... but he learned its an entirely different ball game when your future is on the line.
The man went from being the best in the business to a pariah nearly over night, lol. Gotta feel for the dude...and to kinda get caught up in that Gruden funk at the same time...damn...
Gotta give him credit. He failed impressively

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

And?

All those players did have a few good years until injuries took their toal as with most NFL players over time few if any players go a entire career without some kind of injury

 

[BurqueCardFan]

I'm in the happy but not elated camp only because it is high to take a RB and we should have done more to address the OL in FA.
However, I am a firm believer in drafting BPA and not reaching for need. If Love is the best player in the draft, from a talent standpoint, then draft him @ #3.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I'm in the happy but not elated camp only because it is high to take a RB and we should have done more to address the OL in FA.
However, I am a firm believer in drafting BPA and not reaching for need. If Love is the best player in the draft, from a talent standpoint, then draft him @ #3.

What are you talking about. We got an old OG from Pittsburgh and brought the great Elijah Wilkinson back. Monti killed it!!!

 

[BurqueCardFan]

What are you talking about. We got an old OG from Pittsburgh and brought the great Elijah Wilkinson back. Monti killed it!!!

That's right, I forgot!
Can I change my vote to Over the Moon Happy instead? lol.

 

[Solar7]

Those guys aren't middling OT, they were good until they became injury busts.

Betcon was an injury and character bust. He was good very early on, but would show up 50 pounds overweight to camp every year and missed two full seasons with knee injury. After that he was an unplayable bad RT He played well as a GUARD for the eagles, less so for the chargers. His lost athleticism since the knee issues have relegated him to guard. He is currently a FA.

Willis started out as good, injured his knee in 2023, never recovered, and hasnt really played (and been horrible when he has). Willis has played in 4 games since he first got injured in 2023. That's why he is on a 1 year vet min deal with Chicago to be a backup.

Your point of "why do teams pay OTs mediocre deals" might not apply to Willis or Betcon, but it is a valid question. Teams pay bad OTs money to play for them because they have no other choice. Just because they get paid doesnt mean they are good.

Look at Dan Moore Jr. for the Titans, he was awful for the steelers and he's been awful for Tennesse, they still paid him a ton of money to be awful, because he was slightly less awful than Dennis Daley.

Or Jonah Williams for the Cardinals. He was a massive bust for the bengals and we paid him a bunch of money to be terrible here.

I mean, we're talking about drafting a guy who might best fit at guard, with back issues, at #3 in Mauigoa, so I'm not sure how that's much different. We're obviously 4-5 years from knowing the answer here, but either RT would be a tremendous reach.

Becton and Wills also went before Wirfs, everyone's favorite justification for taking one of them.

 

[Solar7]

If we trade out of position of getting a high ceiling, potential start to take a Spencer Fano, I'm going to lose my mind. Picking that high, you take a chance on greatness.

Playing it safe in Vegas was Mayock when he took Celin Ferrel 4th overall because he was the "safe " pick. It helped get Mayock fired(even though he never should have been hired) and he admits he should have taken the riskier high ceiling player whne drafting that high.

I have a feeling this is exactly what's going to happen. We're going to trade back and end up with Fano and Simpson, purely panic-based, need-based drafting, instead of getting any kind of game changing player. Fano will end up being a league average OT we're talking about replacing in a few years, and it'll be less than a year before we consider running back the plan on Josh Rosen/Kyler Murray with Simpson and whoever the new hotness is next year.

 

[oaken1]

I have a feeling this is exactly what's going to happen. We're going to trade back and end up with Fano and Simpson, purely panic-based, need-based drafting, instead of getting any kind of game changing player. Fano will end up being a league average OT we're talking about replacing in a few years, and it'll be less than a year before we consider running back the plan on Josh Rosen/Kyler Murray with Simpson and whoever the new hotness is next year.

and another season of knowing we dont have a single player on the field that can just break it off on a defense

 

[slanidrac16]

I'm only in on the OL if we trade down. If we cant I'd want one of the pass rushers or Downs. I fear Bain is going to go to the Chiefs and wreck the league for the next 11 years.

Rankings are relative. Think of it as a tiers than exact order that players should go in, a ton of players in this draft are really close to each other talent wise, thats why everyone wants to trade down. There's no way for draft gurus to accurately turn every players into numbers and say they should first, second, etc... When a guy goes 5-10 spots ahead of where Daniel Jeremiah ranked him on his big board that's not a reach.

Positional value, considering what values are available later in the draft/free agency, does matter when constructing the best roster possible. I won't pretend that it doesn't.

Love is a way better prospect than Mendoza, should the Raiders take him #1 overall? He is the best player! What a dumb team to not take the unquestioned best player Jeremiah Love. Why are they reaching for a mediocre prospect like Mendoza?

Because a team in desperate need of a qb outweighs everything.

 

[602 Native]

I have a feeling this is exactly what's going to happen. We're going to trade back and end up with Fano and Simpson, purely panic-based, need-based drafting, instead of getting any kind of game changing player. Fano will end up being a league average OT we're talking about replacing in a few years, and it'll be less than a year before we consider running back the plan on Josh Rosen/Kyler Murray with Simpson and whoever the new hotness is next year.

That’s what happens when you have a GM that should have been fired trying to keep his job.

We are so fudged

 

[Chopper0080]

What do you out record would have been without Conner? I’m guessing 6-28. And you’re the guy who cares about wins, right?

Didn't have to use the #3 pick for Conner.

 

[Chopper0080]

I think it makes sense to keep in mind that most – analyst, reporters, people on this board – were absolutely sure that Harrison would be an All-Pro pretty much after his rookie year. Just something to think about regarding Love.

A very good and applicable point to the convo around Love. MHJ was a safe, can't miss player too. We have seen that it doesn't guarantee instant success.

He is a good prospect. He is not a generational prospect. He isn't a better prospect than Bijan and Saquon, and if you are arguing there have been three generational RB prospects in the past 8 seasons, maybe you are using that term incorrectly.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

and another season of knowing we dont have a single player on the field that can just break it off on a defense

You mean like Marvin harrisson? Thought he was supposed to do that

 

[slanidrac16]

Another thought on Love. If he is the player he is projected to be he will open things up for McBride, Wilson and MHJ.
Bailey, Reese , Bain may be good but they are not going to elevate the defense to a point where will stymie the offensive juggernauts in this division.
Let’s add a Corvette to try at least keep up.

 

[kerouac9]

Another thought on Love. If he is the player he is projected to be he will open things up for McBride, Wilson and MHJ.
Bailey, Reese , Bain may be good but they are not going to elevate the defense to a point where will stymie the offensive juggernauts in this division.
Let’s add a Corvette to try at least keep up.

No he won’t. At least, not much more than any starting-caliber RB could.