Ty Simpson declares for the 2026 NFL draft

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Well what is more likely...

Simpson gets remarkably stronger with his throws despite being 23 and undersized or Allar and all his physical tools get unlocked by a good coach?
Simpson.

Allar legitimately regressed every single year in college since he was the starter. I don’t give a damn about the physical tools if the football IQ isn’t there & his is not even close to being there.
 
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Simpson.

Allar legitimately regressed every single year in college since he was the starter. I don’t give a damn about the physical tools if the football IQ isn’t there & his is not even close to being there.
Really awful argument. The actual argument against Allar is that Franklin broke him beyond repair, which is possible. Trying to claim he doesn't have the football IQ when nobody can know at this point is legitimately illegitimate :)
 

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It's hilarious to me that you look at a QB who is an old prospect with very few games played, but who people somehow want to take high in the 1st round because of his dad and his dad's influence. Haven't we had enough of the "But his dad will help him" in our QB room? Have we learned no lesson here?

When you have a kid who's one big thing is because of his dad and not, you know, the QB himself, that should be a big red flag, of which he has several.
 

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Really awful argument. The actual argument against Allar is that Franklin broke him beyond repair, which is possible. Trying to claim he doesn't have the football IQ when nobody can know at this point is legitimately illegitimate :)
Yes, I’m sure that it was James Franklin that told him to make the most ill-advised throws the last two seasons.

If he went to Pitt, you would not be defending a clearly bad player.
 

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Yes, I’m sure that it was James Franklin that told him to make the most ill-advised throws the last two seasons.

If he went to Pitt, you would not be defending a clearly bad player.
Talk about biases. If his name was Ty Simpson, you'd be his biggest backer. You know, the guy that won nothing and only started 15 games? Whose biggest resume point is his dad's job? You're calling for him to be drafted in the 1st. I'm only advocating taking Allar as a project later in the draft. But go on with your absolutes.
 

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Talk about biases. If his name was Ty Simpson, you'd be his biggest backer. You know, the guy that won nothing and only started 15 games? Whose biggest resume point is his dad's job? You're calling for him to be drafted in the 1st. I'm only advocating taking Allar as a project later in the draft. But go on with your absolutes.
If Ty Simpson played at Penn State with the same exact film he had, I would be backing him.

If Drew Allar played anywhere else that’s NOT Penn State, you would not be backing him in any round of the draft.
 

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If Ty Simpson played at Penn State with the same exact film he had, I would be backing him.

If Drew Allar played anywhere else that’s NOT Penn State, you would not be backing him in any round of the draft.
With how much film? Four good games? Five? Fifteen total played? I respect you because, like I've done with players in the past, you're certainly putting yourself out there on a limb. Setting yourself up for huge kudos or major nose rubbing.

I'm willing to take a look at a toolsy QB who played under a QB killer coach any time, no matter the school, but not in the top end of the draft. Allar's a risk, a throw of the dice, so you don't draft him high. Yeah, he's a Penn State player, so I prefer him over the other project QBs, but that's the only preference.

Both Simpson and Allar are super risky QBs with a better than average chance of complete failure as an NFL QB. The difference is, you want to draft one in the 1st and I want to take a chance on a guy later in the draft.
 

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Okay @Goldfield explain why you think an old short 1 year starter who is not athletically gifted and is also inaccurate deep is worth a round 1 or 2 pick.

ESPECIALLY wnen you consider the history of Alabama QBs. Sell me on this
Considering prior Alabama QBs were under a different HC and offense, I don't understand how that is relevant.
 

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How many QBs can you name that started just a single season of college football and are 6'1 or shorter and made a pro bowl?

I can only think of 2. Brock Purdy and Kyler Murray.
I think this is fair, but I am willing to use a 2nd on a QB at a major program who has put on tape like Simpson has. There is obviously no guarantee, but as we have seen, there is nothing guaranteed for any second round pick. I am more willing to take risks when it comes to acquiring QBs.
 

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I look at Brock Purdy and think, if that is what that skill set can produce in the NFL why wouldn't I spend a 2nd round pick trying to get it?

Very similar to Love or Mauigoa at 3. Ideally, you wouldn't spend a 3rd overall pick on a RT or a RB, but sometimes you have to overspend to have a chance to get the productivity you want.

With Simpson, a 2nd rounder might be an overspend, but is probably worth the risk to try and get a QB.
 

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