Who is Carson Beck

[cardpa]

He was a lousy coach, but that doesn’t mean Allar is a good QB.

With all due respect Harry, I watched every game Allar played in and I'm not saying he doesn't have warts however a lot of those warts are fixable. Every QB who played for Franklin at PSU either was stagnant or declined in each succeeding year. There were times when Allar looked like a top of the line QB and others where he looked pretty damn bad. Add in a offense that did not play to his strengths and a WR corp that was fairly sub-standard at the college level and it's not a recipe for success.

The real question you have to ask yourself with Allar is can I take him and iron out the inconsistency most of which are footwork and learning to go through progressions better or is he so far gone that you can never bring him back.

I guess I see a lot more potential than you do in Allar.

 

[Stout]

He was a lousy coach, but that doesn’t mean Allar is a good QB.

Absolutely agree. If I didn't, I'd be banging the drum to draft him in the 1st. He is no sure thing. His mentality might be broken. That's where doing homework and research, and especially interviewing, comes in as essential.

 

[Stout]

With all due respect Harry, I watched every game Allar played in and I'm not saying he doesn't have warts however a lot of those warts are fixable. Every QB who played for Franklin at PSU either was stagnant or declined in each succeeding year. There were times when Allar looked like a top of the line QB and others where he looked pretty damn bad. Add in a offense that did not play to his strengths and a WR corp that was fairly sub-standard at the college level and it's not a recipe for success.

The real question you have to ask yourself with Allar is can I take him and iron out the inconsistency most of which are footwork and learning to go through progressions better or is he so far gone that you can never bring him back.

I guess I see a lot more potential than you do in Allar.

Man, picturing Allar chucking it all over the field to McBride is a good feeling.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If Beck was any good, do you really think UGA would have let him leave? They have plenty of money to keep the players they want.

 

[football karma]

If Beck was any good, do you really think UGA would have let him leave? They have plenty of money to keep the players they want.

further, if Beck was any good -- he would have left for the NFL two years ago.

his NIL money is the equivalent of a high 3rd round pick with fewer guarantees (NIL is year to year)

so for the last few years, the draft advisory council told him he was a late day pick -- and he decided the NIL money was better

 

[cardncubfan]

Great….now I miss my ‘69 Camaro…..sold for $500 in ‘81….would kill to have that car again

My brother did the same thing. Bought a 69 for $800 in '78 & then sold it for $500 in '80 because they kept breaking into it to steal the rear speakers when he was at WIU.

 

[oaken1]

Why is this a good thing ?

Good?? Nah,... just a 320 hp penis extension. But I was 22...
and its a prime example of how Americans like to stuff oversized engines into small cars...fortunately I lived in Az...so the rain was not much of an issue.

 

[oaken1]

If Beck was any good, do you really think UGA would have let him leave? They have plenty of money to keep the players they want.

very likely they committed to another kid when Beck broke his shoulder...or later when he declared for the draft.
But he decided to come back instead rather than go into the draft with injury questions... if UGA had committed the starting job it could explain why Beck went into the portal.
but... in the "leave it up to a young dude" category...rumor has it, Beck has an exceptionally hot girlfriend who has been attending Miami for a few years...and he went to Miami to be with her.

always questions. But one thing is a certainty...that shoulder injury with the subsequent decision to stay another year in school...really screwed Carson Beck. Likely cost him $30mil at least just in rookie contract

 

[Harry]

With all due respect Harry, I watched every game Allar played in and I'm not saying he doesn't have warts however a lot of those warts are fixable. Every QB who played for Franklin at PSU either was stagnant or declined in each succeeding year. There were times when Allar looked like a top of the line QB and others where he looked pretty damn bad. Add in a offense that did not play to his strengths and a WR corp that was fairly sub-standard at the college level and it's not a recipe for success.

The real question you have to ask yourself with Allar is can I take him and iron out the inconsistency most of which are footwork and learning to go through progressions better or is he so far gone that you can never bring him back.

I guess I see a lot more potential than you do in Allar.

I think you’re a big PSU guy, so you may know him a little better. My concern is that poise and judgement are much harder to fix than mechanical issues. Sometimes a coach damages a player so badly they can’t be fixed. Historically the Cards have been great at that.

 

[cardpa]

I think you’re a big PSU guy, so you may know him a little better. My concern is that poise and judgement are much harder to fix than mechanical issues. Sometimes a coach damages a player so badly they can’t be fixed. Historically the Cards have been great at that.

So you know of James Franklin. I think Allar getting hurt his senior year was the best thing to happen to him sad as it is to say. I allowed him to create some distance and not have Franklin buzzing in his ear all the time.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I think Beck is.
Allar, it's all about measurable and raw talent. The kid has it all but he was unfortunate enough to get with a horrible coach and immature/foolish enough to trust him.
I mean...what kind of coach advises his young QB against going to the Manning Academy to learn from Peyton and Eli??
Allar will need to redshirt his rookie season. But the potential is there for the picking if you got a decent QB coach.

He didn't have to listen tho. If he thought the manning camp was the place to be he should have went.

 

[oaken1]

He didn't have to listen tho. If he thought the manning camp was the place to be he should have went.

I agree. He obviously trusted the coach. Poor judgement?? Or poor advice,..like from a parent or something?? we dont know. But, these are kids. its hard to fault a kid for trusting the authority figures in their lives... but its easy to criticize as old men, lol.
i kinda look at it like...if I were his coach, and I gave him advice designed to improve his game...would I expect him to listen to me?...and when I was a youngster...did i listen to my coaches... both answers are yes...doesnt mean its always a good idea..but I cant fault him for that...everyone wants players that listen to their coaches.

 

[cardpa]

He didn't have to listen tho. If he thought the manning camp was the place to be he should have went.

Franklin can be a very convincing influential talker and persuader. He has always been a good recruiter and talk kids into coming to his team. Just look at the number of kids who followed him to Virginia Tech. Had about 25 kids transfer. This was also in Allar's sophomore year where he was vying for the starting spot at QB.

 

[Stout]

Franklin can be a very convincing influential talker and persuader. He has always been a good recruiter and talk kids into coming to his team. Just look at the number of kids who followed him to Virginia Tech. Had about 25 kids transfer. This was also in Allar's sophomore year where he was vying for the starting spot at QB.

Yep. If you don't listen to coach, you might not play.

 

[az jam]

Cards could take a qb in the 3rd round. They have the first pick and Beck, Allar & Nussmeier could all be there. It is debatable which one is best, I’ll leave that up to their scouting department. This would allow the Cards to possibly get Bailey in the first round and a sold RT like Iheanachor (ASU) in Round 2. This still gives the Cards a solid draft and less of a gamble than taking Simpson at #3.

 

[SECTION 11]

but was it a Cosworth Vega??
Makes all the difference.

My buddy drove a Vega with a retrofit 327...damn car was dangerous as hell to drive...worse to ride in.

It was green. And fun to sit in and move the knobs and levers. Beyond that, it had four (?) wheels.

 

[Stout]

Cards could take a qb in the 3rd round. They have the first pick and Beck, Allar & Nussmeier could all be there. It is debatable which one is best, I’ll leave that up to their scouting department. This would allow the Cards to possibly get Bailey in the first round and a sold RT like Iheanachor (ASU) in Round 2. This still gives the Cards a solid draft and less of a gamble than taking Simpson at #3.

This is my dream scenario. Bailey, then a RT, then a QB at the top of Rd. 3. Allar's my guy. But, if Simpson somehow fell (word is he's not going in the first--will he slide?) and they wanted to take a shot with him, fine. Not before the 3rd round for me, though.

 

[Harry]

Cards could take a qb in the 3rd round. They have the first pick and Beck, Allar & Nussmeier could all be there. It is debatable which one is best, I’ll leave that up to their scouting department. This would allow the Cards to possibly get Bailey in the first round and a sold RT like Iheanachor (ASU) in Round 2. This still gives the Cards a solid draft and less of a gamble than taking Simpson at #3.

If I had to choose I’d take Nussmeier. I think his ceiling is as a backup, but it’s higher than the other two.

 

[CT Card Fan]

Man, picturing Allar chucking it all over the field to McBride is a good feeling.

It worked pretty well when it was Tyler Warren. Hopefully the Cards could assemble a little better WR room to go with that compared to what PSU had.