Official Kyler Murray career thread.... (post Cardinals/Vikes)

[RON_IN_OC]

The short jokes are really low, I mean lame.

 

[602 Native]

The short jokes are really low, I mean lame.

I find them funny just due to how boomer they are. Almost as bad as the COD hate.

So lazy given K1 has plenty of flaws to criticize.

 

[602 Native]

Three highly drafted QBs in the MN QB room now.

Proof that the draft is a crapshoot.

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The accurate comparison

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[Brian in Mesa]

The accurate comparison

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Speaking of COD.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

The short jokes are really low, I mean lame.

I think they are coming back to the front because K1 is getting national attention for his move to Minnesota. So many top sports accounts referencing his height. They likely just ignored him while he was in Arizona.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I think they are coming back to the front because K1 is getting national attention for his move to Minnesota. So many top sports accounts referencing his height. They likely just ignored him while he was in Arizona.

If they are referencing his height, they aren't top sports accounts. It's really a low bar.

 

[PDXChris]

I wonder if this person posts here?

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[Brian in Mesa]

If they are referencing his height, they aren't top sports accounts. It's really a low bar.

 

[BritCard]

Do we really need this thread?

He's gone. I don't care about his career post Cardinals and those that do can go follow it.

This is a Cards forum, not a Kyler fan forum.

 

[Stout]

Do we really need this thread?

He's gone. I don't care about his career post Cardinals and those that do can go follow it.

This is a Cards forum, not a Kyler fan forum.

Yes, we can close this thread, for the love of the gods.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Yes, we can close this thread, for the love of the gods.

+1

of course there will be some interest in Murray’s performance post ARZ.

But really the only thing that’s important is that the organization learns from the (many and grievous) mistakes it made related to K1s time here.

Anything else about who was right or wrong or what Vikings jersey number he has is going to get pretty boring pretty fast.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

This is a Cards forum, not a Kyler fan forum.

Hard to tell sometimes

 

[602 Native]

So shocking that the people that were so wrong about Kyler Murray are the same ones now saying the thread needs to be closed even though local sports media is still talking about Kyler Murray is still a story nationally spare me.

 

[Stout]

So shocking that the people that were so wrong about Kyler Murray are the same ones now saying the thread needs to be closed even though local sports media is still talking about Kyler Murray is still a story nationally spare me.

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[Shane]

Do we really need this thread?

He's gone. I don't care about his career post Cardinals and those that do can go follow it.

This is a Cards forum, not a Kyler fan forum.

Yes… because when the season comes week to week, a new thread is gonna get started on him GUARANTEED and I want nothing to do with that… It’s gonna create arguments and I want everything in one place easy to find. Not multiple threads when we have to start banning.

 

[kerouac9]

So shocking that the people that were so wrong about Kyler Murray are the same ones now saying the thread needs to be closed even though local sports media is still talking about Kyler Murray is still a story nationally spare me.

It’s just these posts aren’t really adding anything new to the conversation. I jump into this thread because I hop to see something new or interesting and it’s just some random #content from some yapper saying Kyler’s good or not.

And your spin is almost always “I thought Kyler was X.” You were saying this same stuff a year ago about Sam Darnold, Trevor Lawrence, and Justin Herbert.

It’s so tired. It’s a troll at this point.

 

[602 Native]

No one is forced to come into a thread.

LOL!!!!!!!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yes, we can close this thread, for the love of the gods.

Do you want it localized to this thread, or have it spill onto every other thread?

 

[gimpy]

Yes… because when the season comes week to week, a new thread is gonna get started on him GUARANTEED and I want nothing to do with that… It’s gonna create arguments and I want everything in one place easy to find. Not multiple threads when we have to start banning.

Says "Shane, the Banner",

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

who?

 

[daves]

Dunno why the "OT: Kyler Murray debacle" thread had to be locked and we need to start a new thread to discuss Murray going forward, but here goes.

The Athletic's Ted Nguyen and Alec Lewis last week published, "Why the Vikings’ Kyler Murray-Kevin O’Connell pairing is a good fit". I thought it was an interesting analysis that showed his upside with the Vikings, but was surprisingly one-sided, with very little discussion of Murray's glaring shortcomings. Their description of "his high-level accuracy on vertical routes and corner concepts" is surprisingly out of touch with reality, and while they correctly point out Murray's struggles in dirty pockets, they fail to note that the Vikings had one of the worst O-lines last year and did little to address it so far in the offseason.

However, The Athletic's Jacob Robinson DID point that out in a separate article:

I have one big concern: the offensive line. Due to a mix of factors that include all those deep passes, this line has quietly been among the league’s worst during the O’Connell era.

Offensive line rankings since hiring O'Connell:

Stat (allowed)	2022	2023	2024	2025
Sacks	32nd	17th	23rd	30th
Pressure rate	29th	23rd	30th	29th
Quick pressure rate	30th	23rd	30th	28th

This line has valid excuses for its performance, though. Injuries decimated it last season, resulting in 26 different combinations. J.J. McCarthy and Carson Wentz didn’t help....

... [T]hey were especially weak in the interior, ranking 32nd in interior-pressure rate for three of the last four seasons.

Interior pressure wreaks havoc on undersized quarterbacks like the 5-foot-10 Murray. Shorter passers need extra space to see over their linemen and good throwing lanes to get the ball out. ...

Will Murray’s elusiveness change things? The shifty dual-threat can be a menace to tackle… but that hasn’t translated like you’d expect. Since 2019, his sack rate when pressured is only in the 50th percentile, between Aaron Rodgers and Mac Jones. Scrambling can also be a negative. Murray has lost an average of 7.6 yards per sack when pressured, third-worst among next season’s projected starters.

Gemini summarized Ted Nguyen and Alec Lewis' article thusly:

The article from The Athletic explores the strategic "marriage" between new Minnesota Vikings quarterback Kyler Murray and head coach Kevin O’Connell. While Murray comes from a shotgun-heavy, out-of-structure system in Arizona and O’Connell prefers a timing-based, under-center passing game, the analysis suggests that the two are a better fit than they appear on the surface.

The Case for Success​

The primary argument for Murray’s success lies in his elite arm talent and the Vikings' superior offensive ecosystem. O’Connell’s system is designed to get the "first read" open through clever play-calling, a stark contrast to Murray’s time in Arizona where he often had to improvise. With deep-threat receivers like Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison, Murray can utilize his high-level accuracy on vertical routes and corner concepts. Additionally, his mobility adds a new dimension to the Vikings' run game; defenses must now account for a dual-threat QB, which should create more one-on-one opportunities for his receivers.

The Case Against Success​

The skepticism stems from fundamental stylistic differences. Murray has spent the vast majority of his career in the shotgun (85.3%), whereas O’Connell’s Vikings operate under center nearly half the time. There are concerns that Murray’s height can lead to "muddy" vision over the middle of the field, causing him to hold onto the ball too long and take unnecessary hits. If Murray struggles to adapt to the rhythm and timing required by O’Connell’s scheme, or if the pocket becomes consistently congested, his efficiency could drop, and the injury risks that plagued his tenure with the Cardinals could resurface.

Ultimately, the partnership's success depends on both sides evolving: O’Connell tailoring the playbook to Murray’s strengths—as he did for Matthew Stafford and Sam Darnold—and Murray embracing a more structured NFL pocket presence.

 

[JosiahLee]

Yes we’re all going to find out soon enough. He’s been getting killed lately by local media saying he will fade the back half of the season like he always does. They could be right, but we’ll see. I think everyone is mostly predicting that bc if the opposite happens it will lead to regret. It would be very Cardinals-esque for him to be amazing this season.

 

[kerouac9]

Dunno why the "OT: Kyler Murray debacle" thread had to be locked and we need to start a new thread to discuss Murray going forward, but here goes.

The Athletic's Ted Nguyen and Alec Lewis last week published, "Why the Vikings’ Kyler Murray-Kevin O’Connell pairing is a good fit". I thought it was an interesting analysis that showed his upside with the Vikings, but was surprisingly one-sided, with very little discussion of Murray's glaring shortcomings. Their description of "his high-level accuracy on vertical routes and corner concepts" is surprisingly out of touch with reality, and while they correctly point out Murray's struggles in dirty pockets, they fail to note that the Vikings had one of the worst O-lines last year and did little to address it so far in the offseason.

However, The Athletic's Jacob Robinson DID point that out in a separate article:


Gemini summarized Ted Nguyen and Alec Lewis' article thusly:

The article from The Athletic explores the strategic "marriage" between new Minnesota Vikings quarterback Kyler Murray and head coach Kevin O’Connell. While Murray comes from a shotgun-heavy, out-of-structure system in Arizona and O’Connell prefers a timing-based, under-center passing game, the analysis suggests that the two are a better fit than they appear on the surface.

The Case for Success​

The primary argument for Murray’s success lies in his elite arm talent and the Vikings' superior offensive ecosystem. O’Connell’s system is designed to get the "first read" open through clever play-calling, a stark contrast to Murray’s time in Arizona where he often had to improvise. With deep-threat receivers like Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison, Murray can utilize his high-level accuracy on vertical routes and corner concepts. Additionally, his mobility adds a new dimension to the Vikings' run game; defenses must now account for a dual-threat QB, which should create more one-on-one opportunities for his receivers.

The Case Against Success​

The skepticism stems from fundamental stylistic differences. Murray has spent the vast majority of his career in the shotgun (85.3%), whereas O’Connell’s Vikings operate under center nearly half the time. There are concerns that Murray’s height can lead to "muddy" vision over the middle of the field, causing him to hold onto the ball too long and take unnecessary hits. If Murray struggles to adapt to the rhythm and timing required by O’Connell’s scheme, or if the pocket becomes consistently congested, his efficiency could drop, and the injury risks that plagued his tenure with the Cardinals could resurface.

Ultimately, the partnership's success depends on both sides evolving: O’Connell tailoring the playbook to Murray’s strengths—as he did for Matthew Stafford and Sam Darnold—and Murray embracing a more structured NFL pocket presence.

Thanks for sharing this. I’d be interested to know what they heard from “staffers around the league” about Murray.

Yes, they point out a couple plays Kyler executed that are also used in Minnesota, but “there’s nothing new under the sun” when it comes to NFL offenses. Every team runs every concept over the course of a season—can Kyler execute these consistently?

I agree that they don’t say enough about Kyler’s limitations and/or how KOC might work around them.

 

[602 Native]

We are a dog crap franchise and failed this dude.

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[Phrazbit]

We are a dog crap franchise and failed this dude.

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We’re a dog crap franchise that drafted the wrong player and gave him a terrible contract, crippling our ability to build a roster.