OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[602 Native]

Burrow was a force of nature who walked into the building and taught those losers how to compete. Like what happened with Warner here, and then later Bruce Arians.

Nothing I’ve seen has shown that Kyler, Monti, or Mike LaFleur have that capacity. But here we are.

Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins are not in AZ but please go on.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Oh no there are plenty here that can spot QB talent you’re just not one of them.

You campaigned for Brissett when others told you that would be a disaster.

Lol at campaigned for him

I was tired of the same old KM over and over and was ready to see another QB run the offense to see if it was the system or the QB

Thanks for letting me know I'm unable to spot QB talent

Of course you are so much better

 

[kerouac9]

Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins are not in AZ but please go on.

DHop, Christian Kirk, and AJ Green were in AZ and it ended with a humiliating collapse. Let’s go around on this again.

 

[Adrian]

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[daves]

People point to the GB game that broke him mentally. Eh, maybe. My thought is that teams just figured him out and locked him down.

@HairZach has written multiple insightful posts that explain the changes NFL defenses went through contemporary with Murray's decline. Unfortunately, Murray neither had the right skill set, nor put in the work, to be able to compensate.

 

[slanidrac16]

You're high. I literally said when Gannon was fired that it was a mistake by Bidwill considering the state out of QB situation and the available options, and it would have been better to ride it out a year and clean it up.

I just don't invent imaginary bidwill issues like most of you. Something happens in the Org, or most likely, someone invents and issue, and it's Bidwills fault.

Bidwill ain't going anywhere, ever. Maybe when he dies they might sell if there is nobody left that is suitable to run it, or most likely they just install a President and backseat it. But either way, you just won't find me complaining about something that is pointless because it's unchangeable.

The VERY few times on here I have actually defended Bidwill it was simply correcting something that was obviously made up. Find one.

Case in point...

Brit, when did you become so snarky?

 

[PDXChris]

Don't leave us hanging...Let's see it, post a pic

Maybe this one?

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[602 Native]

LOL

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[BritCard]

Burrow was a force of nature who walked into the building and taught those losers how to compete. Like what happened with Warner here, and then later Bruce Arians.

Nothing I’ve seen has shown that Kyler, Monti, or Mike LaFleur have that capacity. But here we are.

Sure, it's not "the franchise" though. 602 seems to think Kyler would have thrived anywhere else and the Org somehow cursed him. It's just cope.

Kyler would have failed anywhere due to his physical limitations and mental deficiencies. The only argument is what degree he would have failed elsewhere.

 

[Redsz]

LOL

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Lets make it happen! Both sides need a fresh start.

 

[BritCard]

Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins are not in AZ but please go on.

The whole league thinks the Cards have great receiving options that Kyler his holding back.

Michael Wilson had 10 yards per game with Kyler. 10!

He had 79 yards per game with Jacobi.

And sure, Jacoby averaged 8 more passes per game than Kyler because we had injured RBs, but unless you think all those passes went to Mike you have to be deluded. And considering every other receivers yards were up, I can assure you they didn't.

Kyler kept saying Mike was a 1000 yard receiver and then making him a WR4.

 

[BritCard]

LOL

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That only happens if we cut him, he agrees to a new deal or we take on most of his contract as the Vikings are broke.

I think the Vikings would have Cousins back before all of those options.

 

[daves]

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If only Murray could throw deep with accuracy!

 

[Cardinal88]

I don't get why some of you guys are arguing back and forth. The reality is you're all right.

>Yes, Kyler is a talented QB.
>Yes, Kyler doesn't want to study and put the effort in to be elite.
>Yes, Kyler's stats indicate he is at least a middle of the road QB and with a better team would be an asset.
>Yes, he gets hurt and probably would not survive a full season.
>Yes, he is a loner and sits on the sidelines by himself.
>AND Yes, I'm tired of seeing him on our team

But I do not want to see him go to the Vikings because he will win there and we'd have even more mudd on our face. Send him to the Jets! That's what he deserves for being such a tool for us.

 

[DVontel]

I don't get why some of you guys are arguing back and forth. The reality is you're all right.

>Yes, Kyler is a talented QB.
>Yes, Kyler doesn't want to study and put the effort in to be elite.
>Yes, Kyler's stats indicate he is at least a middle of the road QB and with a better team would be an asset.
>Yes, he gets hurt and probably would not survive a full season.
>Yes, he is a loner and sits on the sidelines by himself.
>AND Yes, I'm tired of seeing him on our team

But I do not want to see him go to the Vikings because he will win there and we'd have even more mudd on our face. Send him to the Jets! That's what he deserves for being such a tool for us.

He’s most likely gonna get cut. It’ll be his own choice to choose to go Minnesota or somewhere else.

 

[Cardinal88]

He’s most likely gonna get cut. It’ll be his own choice to choose to go Minnesota or somewhere else.

That is a big nut to take. Glad it's not my money. But hey, what is $54M when your fanchise is worth $4B! That would like a ham sandwich for me.

 

[azgreg]

More Murray to the Vikings talk on Vegas sports radio just now.

 

[kerouac9]

He’s most likely gonna get cut. It’ll be his own choice to choose to go Minnesota or somewhere else.

The guys on the Athletic Football Show were talking about this today. Kyler probably is communicating that he wants to play for the Vikes to scare other teams away and ensure he gets paid and goes where he wants.

The Vikes could trade for Kyler and convert his roster bonus into a signing bonus and he’d have a cap number less than $30MM. That’s manageable if the Vikes make some moves.

They’d rather have Kyler get cut and remove all that risk because Michael would be paying him like $25 million to not be a Card, and any additional money offsets.

 

[some dumb guy]

That is a big nut to take. Glad it's not my money. But hey, what is $54M when your fanchise is worth $4B! That would like a ham sandwich for me.

That better be a really great sandwich and it better come with pickles, coleslaw, potato salad, chips and a large soda and $53+ million in change...LOL

 

[MadCardDisease]

More Murray to the Vikings talk on Vegas sports radio just now.

I just don't see how the Vikings could afford to bring in Kyler and his contract. They have a ton of work to do to just get under the cap. They are currently $40M over the cap.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

>Yes, Kyler's stats indicate he is at least a middle of the road QB and with a better team would be an asset.

But I do not want to see him go to the Vikings because he will win there and we'd have even more mudd on our face.

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[slanidrac16]

I just don't see how the Vikings could afford to bring in Kyler and his contract. They have a ton of work to do to just get under the cap. They are currently $40M over the cap.

Somehow the can. We are the only team that can’t do that. You know, poor Michael.

 

[daves]

The guys on the Athletic Football Show were talking about this today. Kyler probably is communicating that he wants to play for the Vikes to scare other teams away and ensure he gets paid and goes where he wants.

Their short-form video is here.

Robert Mays says that, with the Vikings' weapons being a little better than the Cards', and KOC's track record with veteran QBs, "I do think there's a world where he could get Kyler to play like the... 14th best quarterback in the league again, and if he's doing that with this defense, with Justin Jefferson as his #1 receiver, that's an 11-, 12-win team again."

Left unsaid: They were already a 9-win team, and with Murray they'd falter in the 2nd half of the season and the playoffs (again).

 

[Shane]

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[JustWinBaby]

Who is this quarterback that is going to come in and make this team competitive?

I like Jacoy but How many games did he win again?

Will Monti ever make a good draft pick, trade or hire the right coach.

He should have packed his bags with Gannon.

Without numb nuts dropping the ball before he scored or with an offensive coordinator that actually tried to win games we could have easily been 5 and 0.

Why would Kyler want to stay with a team that has no defense, no offensive line, no running backs and a top 4 wide receiver who is thus far a bust.