OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[Stout]

People don't want to deal with facts, since we are so emotional and ready to get rid of Kyler (just like we were BA).
I pointed out that Kyler in 2024 was top 11th-13th in just about every passing category and top 3 in every rushing category for a QB.
You don't have to like him or want him on the team but you can't deny that he is a talented QB in the NFL (we can all agree he has problems as well).
A great defense and running game make QB's more successful.

You put Kyler on the Vikings or Falcons and they are playoff teams.

You don't cut a QB like this and take a $54M cap hit - you just don't.

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Your stanhood is noted. Your membership card is in the mail

You love Kyler as a QB. We get it. Well, he gone. Deal.

 

[BritCard]

He doesn’t need one.

His agent simply has to say he won’t go play for that team prior to the deal happening. The other team isn’t going to accept anything where a star QB says they won’t go there.

K1 holds the Cards in the scenario created by these boneheads. There is a deadline to this it’s not like the Cards can play chicken indefinitely .

This scenario was created by Kyler. The organization has given him numerous chances to prove himself, and he's let them down every time. Nobody created this situation other than Kyler Murray.

 

[602 Native]

People don't want to deal with facts, since we are so emotional and ready to get rid of Kyler (just like we were BA).
I pointed out that Kyler in 2024 was top 11th-13th in just about every passing category and top 3 in every rushing category for a QB.
You don't have to like him or want him on the team but you can't deny that he is a talented QB in the NFL (we can all agree he has problems as well).
A great defense and running game make QB's more successful.

You put Kyler on the Vikings or Falcons and they are playoff teams.

You don't cut a QB like this and take a $54M cap hit - you just don't.

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Brother I hear you but the ship has sailed.

Bidwill, M. has once again proven he has zero idea what he is doing as an owner. On top of that the fans have also proven once again they don’t know how to spot QB talent.

I hope I am completely wrong about K1 going to the Vikes but man it looks like that is a real reality.

 

[602 Native]

This scenario was created by Kyler. The organization has given him numerous chances to prove himself, and he's let them down every time. Nobody created this situation other than Kyler Murray.

What time is Bidwill, M. Family Dinner?

 

[BritCard]

What time is Bidwill, M. Family Dinner?

What time are you getting down on your knees for Kyler?

This is nothing to do with Bidwill, dude. Practically every fan here can see how garbage Kyler has been and how he's got worse since 2021. There's like maybe five of you on here that still think Kyler is the golden boy. Maybe when you're outnumbered like 10-to-1, you should consider your position.

 

[TheCardFan]

Your stanhood is noted. Your membership card is in the mail

You love Kyler as a QB. We get it. Well, he gone. Deal.

Get your facts straight Stout.

I am not a K1 fan and am ready to find our QBOF. Guess what - we don't have a plan.
I continue to argue that you don't cut a QB like K1 with a $54M cap hit.
How hard is that to understand?

 

[Stout]

What time are you getting down on your knees for Kyler?

This is nothing to do with Bidwill, dude. Practically every fan here can see how garbage Kyler has been and how he's got worse since 2021. There's like maybe five of you on here that still think Kyler is the golden boy. Maybe when you're outnumbered like 10-to-1, you should consider your position.

Uh, Bidwill was the stupe dumb enough to give him the deal that's still bothering us. It has everything to do with Bidwill, M. too.

 

[Stout]

Get your facts straight Stout.

I am not a K1 fan and am ready to find our QBOF. Guess what - we don't have a plan.
I continue to argue that you don't cut a QB like K1 with a $54M cap hit.
How hard is that to understand?

Your continued writing undermines your claims. You definitely cut a guy who:

--Is too short (not his fault)
--Historically does not put in the non-physical work
--Has Daddy as his QB coach and refuses to change anything
--Can't process
--Is petrified of contact
--Can no longer chuck it deep
--Hates using his best weapons, his legs
--Goes fetal all the time
--Slides short all the time
--Runs OOB short of the LOS all the time
--Can't throw the ball away to save his life

The list goes on.

Sure, I want whatever trade return the team can get for Kyler, but I have to say, that is EXACTLY the type of QB you cut. Kyler has shown absolutely nothing to make anyone realistically think he's winning anything in this league. A flash of promise early in his career and then a long fall off a steep cliff. Best you can say is he's a flash in the pan.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

On top of that the fans have also proven once again they don’t know how to spot QB talent.

So all the rest of us know nothing about QB talent and you're the only one?

Get off your high horse

You are welcome to follow your idol to his new team and you won't have to deal with all of us "know nothing" fans

 

[kerouac9]

Get your facts straight Stout.

I am not a K1 fan and am ready to find our QBOF. Guess what - we don't have a plan.
I continue to argue that you don't cut a QB like K1 with a $54M cap hit.
How hard is that to understand?

To be fair, you’re not really arguing it; you’re asserting it over and over and ignoring or dismissing actual arguments to the contrary.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I continue to argue that you don't cut a QB like K1 with a $54M cap hit.
How hard is that to understand?

He's exactly the kind of QB you cut.

Just like Denver cut Russ Wilson, a much more successful mini-QB, at the cost of $85 million in dead money due to contract bonuses, etc.

They recovered rather quickly, found their QBOTF, and went deep into the playoffs shortly after severing ties with their former QB.

 

[TheCardFan]

To be fair, you’re not really arguing it; you’re asserting it over and over and ignoring or dismissing actual arguments to the contrary.

I get the Kyler hate but talking about the facts (stats in 2024, real cap hits, history, etc) - people just call others fanboys.

I am not ignoring your argument any more than you and Stout are ignoring mine.
I believe I have facts and you have feelings.

 

[DVontel]

Uh, Bidwill was the stupe dumb enough to give him the deal that's still bothering us. It has everything to do with Bidwill, M. too.

602 & Brit are pretty much the same, just on the opposite side of the fence.

602 is the big Kyler defender & refuses to admit Kyler has done anything wrong.

Brit is the big Bidwill defender & refuses to admit Bidwill has done anything wrong.

Twins.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

This scenario was created by Kyler. The organization has given him numerous chances to prove himself, and he's let them down every time. Nobody created this situation other than Kyler Murray.

That's only half true and you know it Britcard. The Cardinals instigated severing ties with their franchise QB midseason. Nobody else.

And I don't think it was JG who pulled the trigger or K1 wouldn't have given him a shout out when he was fired. That leaves MB and/or MO to bear responsibility for a substantial part of this situation.

Look as soon as Murray no longer wears our uniform he becomes the enemy to me. I'll tear down my shrine and donate the materials to Goodwill.

But that won't stop me from lamenting that Murray's career arc could have been different if he would have been part of a normal NFL franchise. Not the freak show that is the Cardinals.

 

[some dumb guy]

I'll tear down my shrine and donate the materials to Goodwill.

Don't leave us hanging...Let's see it, post a pic

 

[Stout]

602 & Brit are pretty much the same, just on the opposite side of the fence.

602 is the big Kyler defender & refuses to admit Kyler has done anything wrong.

Brit is the big Bidwill defender & refuses to admit Bidwill has done anything wrong.

Twins.

It is known.

 

[Stout]

I get the Kyler hate but talking about the facts (stats in 2024, real cap hits, history, etc) - people just call others fanboys.

I am not ignoring your argument any more than you and Stout are ignoring mine.
I believe I have facts and you have feelings.

You keep saying "QBs like this cannot be cut," which means you think Kyler is something special, then you lean into stats from 2 years ago that will be 3 years old come the season. One of these things is not like the other. Your argument is basically vibes and opinion.

 

[Stout]

That's only half true and you know it Britcard. The Cardinals instigated severing ties with their franchise QB midseason. Nobody else.

And I don't think it was JG who pulled the trigger or K1 wouldn't have given him a shout out when he was fired. That leaves MB and/or MO to bear responsibility for a substantial part of this situation.

Look as soon as Murray no longer wears our uniform he becomes the enemy to me. I'll tear down my shrine and donate the materials to Goodwill.

But that won't stop me from lamenting that Murray's career arc could have been different if he would have been part of a normal NFL franchise. Not the freak show that is the Cardinals.

Yes, they did. Rightly so. Kyler's not taking us where we need to go, so it was time to move in.

I think, if he was part of a normal franchise, he could've Trent Dilfered his way to the playoffs, but not to a title. The kind of team with a generational D and an offense that just has to play smart. He would be able to at least get them to the playoffs and win some games--in the past, not now, of course, now that he's gotten worse. That would've been his ceiling, for me, and not a high one. People point to the GB game that broke him mentally. Eh, maybe. My thought is that teams just figured him out and locked him down. He was a 2-trick pony with deep shots and his legs, but now his deep throws are bad and he doesn't like to run.

 

[602 Native]

So all the rest of us know nothing about QB talent and you're the only one?

Get off your high horse

You are welcome to follow your idol to his new team and you won't have to deal with all of us "know nothing" fans

Oh no there are plenty here that can spot QB talent you’re just not one of them.

You campaigned for Brissett when others told you that would be a disaster.

 

[BritCard]

602 & Brit are pretty much the same, just on the opposite side of the fence.

602 is the big Kyler defender & refuses to admit Kyler has done anything wrong.

Brit is the big Bidwill defender & refuses to admit Bidwill has done anything wrong.

Twins.

You're high. I literally said when Gannon was fired that it was a mistake by Bidwill considering the state out of QB situation and the available options, and it would have been better to ride it out a year and clean it up.

I just don't invent imaginary bidwill issues like most of you. Something happens in the Org, or most likely, someone invents an issue, and it's Bidwills fault.

Bidwill ain't going anywhere, ever. Maybe when he dies they might sell if there is nobody left that is suitable to run it, or most likely they just install a President and backseat it. But either way, you just won't find me complaining about something that is pointless because it's unchangeable.

The VERY few times on here I have actually defended Bidwill it was simply correcting something that was obviously made up. Find one.

Case in point...

That's only half true and you know it Britcard. The Cardinals instigated severing ties with their franchise QB midseason. Nobody else.

And I don't think it was JG who pulled the trigger or K1 wouldn't have given him a shout out when he was fired. That leaves MB and/or MO to bear responsibility for a substantial part of this situation.

Look as soon as Murray no longer wears our uniform he becomes the enemy to me. I'll tear down my shrine and donate the materials to Goodwill.

But that won't stop me from lamenting that Murray's career arc could have been different if he would have been part of a normal NFL franchise. Not the freak show that is the Cardinals.

 

[602 Native]

602 & Brit are pretty much the same, just on the opposite side of the fence.

602 is the big Kyler defender & refuses to admit Kyler has done anything wrong.

Brit is the big Bidwill defender & refuses to admit Bidwill has done anything wrong.

Twins.

K1 has plenty of faults I just believe that the flaws of this franchise are too big for him to overcome given those flaws. Even Warner has a barely .500 record here and he is one of the greatest QBs to ever do it.

 

[BritCard]

That's only half true and you know it Britcard. The Cardinals instigated severing ties with their franchise QB midseason. Nobody else.

And I don't think it was JG who pulled the trigger or K1 wouldn't have given him a shout out when he was fired. That leaves MB and/or MO to bear responsibility for a substantial part of this situation.

Look as soon as Murray no longer wears our uniform he becomes the enemy to me. I'll tear down my shrine and donate the materials to Goodwill.

But that won't stop me from lamenting that Murray's career arc could have been different if he would have been part of a normal NFL franchise. Not the freak show that is the Cardinals.

Dude, 100% the coaches benched him. Just huge levels of copium to think otherwise.

If Mike or MO benched him there's no way JG is fired, and if he would have leaked it all over that they benched him against his wishes.

 

[602 Native]

I get the Kyler hate but talking about the facts (stats in 2024, real cap hits, history, etc) - people just call others fanboys.

I am not ignoring your argument any more than you and Stout are ignoring mine.
I believe I have facts and you have feelings.

They always have feelings.

 

[BritCard]

K1 has plenty of faults I just believe that the flaws of this franchise are too big for him to overcome given those flaws. Even Warner has a barely .500 record here and he is one of the greatest QBs to ever do it.

Is the franchise covering his eyes when he misses an open guy, or pulling on his arm when he under throws an open receiver?

Did the notoriously bad Bengals suddenly change when they made the superbowl with Burrow after dumping Dalton?

 

[kerouac9]

Is the franchise covering his eyes when he misses an open guy, or pulling on his arm when he under throws an open receiver?

Did the notoriously bad Bengals suddenly change when they made the superbowl with Burrow after dumping Dalton?

Burrow was a force of nature who walked into the building and taught those losers how to compete. Like what happened with Warner here, and then later Bruce Arians.

Nothing I’ve seen has shown that Kyler, Monti, or Mike LaFleur have that capacity. But here we are.