RB Trey Benson hurt

[BritCard]

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Not really, Demercado made the roster over Carter as a 3rd down back because he can block and Carter can't.

Two different roles.

 

[BritCard]

Benson was averaging 4.6

The problem with Benson is he had one of the highest stuff rates in the league. He'd have 3 runs for 0 and then break one off for 15.

The 15's are nice but you really need consistent yards from your back.

 

[BritCard]

Might be a blessing. The gap scheme hasn't been working great and Carter is more of a zone scheme runner. Should mean more outside zone.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Days before the injury was announced, 98.7 was discussing a potential break out for Benson with Conner gone. They revealed this little factoid:

Take away the two longest runs for both of the Cardinals running backs and both were averaging 2.3 ypc. I did the math and that is correct.

The heart of the issue is the offensive line and the play calling. These are the tendencies through 4 games:

13 personnel: Passing 33% of the time.
12 personnel: Passing 60% of the time (rest of the league is 24.15)
11 personnel: Passing 80% of the time (rest of the league is 61.28%)

Source: https://sumersports.com/teams/offensive/personnel-tendency/?teams=ARZ

Behold the genius of Petzing. If Tip Reiman is on the field, it is a run. If he is not, it is a pass. That 12 personnel number is crazy.

In 2024 it's not as exaggerated but we still ran way less out of 12 and 11 personnel than the league average.

This is why I said that this injury isn't anything that really matters. The tape is out on Petzing's offense.

 

[kerouac9]

Might be a blessing. The gap scheme hasn't been working great and Carter is more of a zone scheme runner. Should mean more outside zone.

This this offense has shown to be very adaptive to the kills of its players so far

 

[Harry]

The problem with Benson is he had one of the highest stuff rates in the league. He'd have 3 runs for 0 and then break one off for 15.

The 15's are nice but you really need consistent yards from your back.

Poor blocking scheme

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Hey remember that flea flicker against the Seahawks where they completely ignored the running back and went straight after Murray? The Cardinals came out in 12 personnel with Murray under center. Any other team that sounds like a run but...

The Seahawks were so convinced of a pass, the did a double corner blitz, which is really unheard of in the modern NFL. Neither corner fell for the run at all and they blew up Murray.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

we don't know how good benson is - dude never got in a rhythm - folks can say whatever they want but nobody knows

 

[kerouac9]

we don't know how good benson is - dude never got in a rhythm - folks can say whatever they want but nobody knows

I don’t know why he’s earned the benefit of the doubt. All we know is he gets injured every 55 touches. Can’t depend on him; he’s inching toward Rondale Moore territory.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

I don’t know why he’s earned the benefit of the doubt. All we know is he gets injured every 55 touches. Can’t depend on him; he’s inching toward Rondale Moore territory.

clearly not enough data to label the guy but you've had him on the all k9 squad since day one so...

 

[BritCard]

Days before the injury was announced, 98.7 was discussing a potential break out for Benson with Conner gone. They revealed this little factoid:

Take away the two longest runs for both of the Cardinals running backs and both were averaging 2.3 ypc. I did the math and that is correct.

The heart of the issue is the offensive line and the play calling. These are the tendencies through 4 games:

13 personnel: Passing 33% of the time.
12 personnel: Passing 60% of the time (rest of the league is 24.15)
11 personnel: Passing 80% of the time (rest of the league is 61.28%)

Source: https://sumersports.com/teams/offensive/personnel-tendency/?teams=ARZ

Behold the genius of Petzing. If Tip Reiman is on the field, it is a run. If he is not, it is a pass. That 12 personnel number is crazy.

In 2024 it's not as exaggerated but we still ran way less out of 12 and 11 personnel than the league average.

This is why I said that this injury isn't anything that really matters. The tape is out on Petzing's offense.

Tip will be on the field in 12 pers though and that's 60% pass? So tip being on the field doesn't really indicate run.

I'm ok with 60/40 in 12 personnel. It's actually the league average of 25.15% that's the issue, that really is signalling run. And I'm ok with the 33% from 13, that's a pretty decent rate as I'd imagine most teams in 13 are running 90%.

The only concerning one here is the 11 personnel. We use it 57% of the time and that's far too high a pass rate. It's by far our least successful too with -3.17 EPA.

 

[BritCard]

Poor blocking scheme

Conner has the same blockers and wasn't stuffed as much. It was more of an issue for Benson.

 

[HairZach]

Conner has the same blockers and wasn't stuffed as much. It was more of an issue for Benson.

In 2024.

This year Conner was getting shutdown the same way Benson was.

 

[unseenaz]

Conner has the same blockers and wasn't stuffed as much. It was more of an issue for Benson.

Conner wasn't off to such a hot start this year - I think losing Klayton Adams was a big blow - the Cowboys are having great success running the ball.

 

[kerouac9]

In 2024.

This year Conner was getting shutdown the same way Benson was.

Conner (43.8%) was moderately more successful than Benson (34.5%) but it’s small sample size. The play of the OL either by talent or design is a common factor.

 

[Harry]

Conner has the same blockers and wasn't stuffed as much. It was more of an issue for Benson.

Your right Benson needs a hole. Adams never sustains blocks and takes bad angles. I would agree short yardage is not Benson’s strength. Still if you give him a hole he can be explosive. Williams is constantly going backwards at the snap. The Cards seem to end up with man blocking even when I think they’re trying for zone or gap blocks. They just aren’t coordinated when double teaming. Gannon called this out when analyzing the offense’s failure to prosper.

Connor is more effective at breaking the arm tackles that usually occur when DLs are engaged with Oline blockers and reach out. That is typical of a man blocking system. Benson needs the gaps a proper double team or trap block can create. Once he gets it he’s capable of breaking consistent long runs with his speed and agility. Both systems can be effective behind skilled Olines. Benson is not going to wear out a Dline. What he does with effective blocking is put his team more often in third and short. You can’t use his performance to date because the run offense isn’t designed for his skill set.

 

[kerouac9]

You can’t use his performance to date because the run offense isn’t designed for his skill set.

So what are you basing this on? 12 rushes a game at Florida State? He gets injured once every 50 touches here.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

So what are you basing this on? 12 rushes a game at Florida State? He gets injured once every 50 touches here.

you keep acting like benson's had hundreds and hundreds of rushes - like your hot take is hundreds of percent accurate lol

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[oaken1]

Days before the injury was announced, 98.7 was discussing a potential break out for Benson with Conner gone. They revealed this little factoid:

Take away the two longest runs for both of the Cardinals running backs and both were averaging 2.3 ypc. I did the math and that is correct.

The heart of the issue is the offensive line and the play calling. These are the tendencies through 4 games:

13 personnel: Passing 33% of the time.
12 personnel: Passing 60% of the time (rest of the league is 24.15)
11 personnel: Passing 80% of the time (rest of the league is 61.28%)

Source: https://sumersports.com/teams/offensive/personnel-tendency/?teams=ARZ

Behold the genius of Petzing. If Tip Reiman is on the field, it is a run. If he is not, it is a pass. That 12 personnel number is crazy.

In 2024 it's not as exaggerated but we still ran way less out of 12 and 11 personnel than the league average.

This is why I said that this injury isn't anything that really matters. The tape is out on Petzing's offense.

I have not looked up the stats... but based on my personal eye test...it seems our "Yards before first contact" has dropped by at least a full yard since last season.
Last season our backs were averaging something like 2.5 yards before contact

 

[oaken1]

This this offense has shown to be very adaptive to the kills of its players so far

the Petzing is afraid he is next I guess.....

 

[kerouac9]

you keep acting like benson's had hundreds and hundreds of rushes - like your hot take is hundreds of percent accurate lol

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Cool then don’t draw conclusions after little sample size. Thats actually all I’m saying!

 

[602 Native]

Days before the injury was announced, 98.7 was discussing a potential break out for Benson with Conner gone. They revealed this little factoid:

Take away the two longest runs for both of the Cardinals running backs and both were averaging 2.3 ypc. I did the math and that is correct.

The heart of the issue is the offensive line and the play calling. These are the tendencies through 4 games:

13 personnel: Passing 33% of the time.
12 personnel: Passing 60% of the time (rest of the league is 24.15)
11 personnel: Passing 80% of the time (rest of the league is 61.28%)

Source: https://sumersports.com/teams/offensive/personnel-tendency/?teams=ARZ

Behold the genius of Petzing. If Tip Reiman is on the field, it is a run. If he is not, it is a pass. That 12 personnel number is crazy.

In 2024 it's not as exaggerated but we still ran way less out of 12 and 11 personnel than the league average.

This is why I said that this injury isn't anything that really matters. The tape is out on Petzing's offense.

What I have been screaming this whole time.

Its like we are trying to run some throwback offense in terms of personnel. I don't understand why these OCs think they need to be so inventive. No one cares what you run it just needs to be effective.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

I have not looked up the stats... but based on my personal eye test...it seems our "Yards before first contact" has dropped by at least a full yard since last season.
Last season our backs were averaging something like 2.5 yards before contact

You are almost exactly correct, especially if you again just remove 2 runs.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Didn't realize they were prepared to go all the way, lol

Maybe Just Tip is enough.

 

[Russ Smith]

Conner has the same blockers and wasn't stuffed as much. It was more of an issue for Benson.

Benson 5.5 YPC Conner 3.

Yes it's the 2 long runs but no Conner was having the same issue.