Charmin Marvin Harrison Jr Thread

[iLLmatiC]

Missed a couple passes last week too. We’re starting to see a trend here.

 

[Chopper0080]

I hate Kyler as much as the rest of everyone but some of yall are coping hard.

It's not cope, it trying to figure out why arguably the best WR is a great WR draft is regressing on in front of our eyes. No one is excusing the drops, but it's rationale to try to understand why it is happening.

 

[iLLmatiC]

It's not cope, it trying to figure out why arguably the best WR is a great WR draft is regressing on in front of our eyes. No one is excusing the drops, but it's rationale to try to understand why it is happening.

I love your content man, you’re probably one of my favorite posters to read because of your knowledge but it really feels like you’re stacking the deck to try and make Kyler the problem here for Marv’s dropped passes. If you’re a professional football player who gets paid to catch balls and you’re not doing that you aren’t doing your job. I don’t think the dropped passes get more complex than that.

 

[Chopper0080]

Still missed an easy gimme pass yesterday. If Petzing and Kyler are going to get torched on a weekly basis he needs to share some blame too.

100%

 

[PDXChris]

Michael Floyd 2.0 has entered the building.

Floyd had a lot of issues, but he wasn't soft. MHJ is S.O.F.T.

I asked AI to make a acrostic for S.O.F.T. aimed at Marvin Harrison Jr.!

Still waiting for that breakout game
Overhyped in every draft room
Fades in big moments
Targeted, but never terrifying

 

[Chopper0080]

I love your content man, you’re probably one of my favorite posters to read because of your knowledge but it really feels like you’re stacking the deck to try and make Kyler the problem here for Marv’s dropped passes. If you’re a professional football player who gets paid to catch balls and you’re not doing that you aren’t doing your job. I don’t think the dropped passes get more complex than that.

A fair critique of me is that I tend to give more credit/blame to a QB. I also tend to focus on the psychology of sports. That's comes from my years in baseball. For me, the blame pie is split between Gannon/Petzing, Kyler, and MHJ. My % just seems to be a little different than others and that is ok.

The drops are on MHJ, but the question I look at is why are they more prevalent now than they were when we drafted him?

IMO...MHJ saying after game 2 that not being targeted is ok, is a problem. Your best players can't talk like that. For better or worse MHJ has been convinced by Gannon and Petzing that he is a role player, and I believe his play reflects that of a role player. It's a huge problem.

 

[Zalixar]

Think he'll just retire right after a second contract. Tbh he was phoning it in the 2nd half of 2023 at OSU.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

Logic would say that “more practice” would help a condition like this. In reality, the best that a coach can do for a struggling player is to let off the gas in practice. Because Marvin has such a strong work ethic, it may be coaches forcing him to back off. One approach would be to tell him he only get’s 10 catches in practice and no jugs gun work. Those 10 catches are all going to be at game speed with real game simulation. If he drops one, he doesn’t get to make that up. He only get’s 9 more and so on.

 

[Russ Smith]

Said it last year and it's too obvious so I assume they've done it but have they had Marv's vision checked?

 

[Russ Smith]

Removed from the drop, or drops, I noticed that of late when plays break down he does nothing to get open. Kyler was scrambling to his left on one play and he just stopped in his route and started walking?

That's the one I was complaining abot in the game thread. Kyler was rolling left and he was getting ready to throw the ball over Marv's man to Marv and Marv just stopped, Kyler got a first down out of it running but you could see him looking at Marv after the play like dude don't quit. Those are the kinds of things that lead to interceptions

 

[HairZach]

What has happened to him. Look at these highlights and it's not the same guy. He plays with passion, swagger, and tenacity here. Have seen very little of it so far

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I think he looks exactly the same. Deep ball specialist, very little separation, body catches more often than not, not a single broken tackle.

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These guys were WAY more productive and had better highlights.

 

[Russ Smith]

What has happened to him. Look at these highlights and it's not the same guy. He plays with passion, swagger, and tenacity here. Have seen very little of it so far

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unfortunately I think it's simple, he's not being covered by college players and he's not on a team full of NFL draft picks going against inferior talent he's on the field covered by NFL guys and he's having trouble adjusting to it

 

[Russ Smith]

ive had some time - it's true - petzing doesn't do charmin many favors and kyler doesn't always see or even look for charmin

now forget about all of that because it doesn't ******* matter - once the ball is in the air nothing else matters - charmin has one ******* job

truth is that was an embarrassment - complete lack of focus - dropped a td that was in his hands in the enzone but the wide open drop bothers me the most

people have their thoughts on the wide open drop - me? i saw why mhj isn't a punt returner - kyler floated the ball leaving time for the defense to approach as charmin waited for the ball... and guess who took their eyes off the ball - dumbest mistake a receiver or returner can make when nobody's around

after that drop i was all like " i doubt we see a drop from him again today" or some ish like that - then the enzone happened

side note: charmin/zay/cado catch their balls and kyler's near 300 yards with at least 2 more td passes on the box score guaranteed

one thing i will say in charmins defense is when kyler throws crappy 50/50 balls that are really more 75/25 balls favoring the cb - charmin turns into a defender and prevents the interception - nabers does not - or at least not yesterday - just let the interception happen

nabers saw that wilson's pass was short and he got annoyed instead of handling his business - i think he did the same/similar in game 1?

anyways - here's my hot take

THROW THE BALL TO CHARMIN 10 TIMES IN THE FIRST HALF AGAINST SEATTLE - IF HE GETS 100 YARDS THROW IT ANOTHER 10 TIMES IN THE SECOND HALF - WHATEVER HE IS - WE HAVE TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS TO FIND OUT

The drop in the endzone was the same series where he got the TD to McBride.

The drop by DeMercado was a TD and the drop midfield by Marv COULD have been a TD although I suspect if he catches it Fred Warner gets him and now we're all debating how the top WR in the draft got caught by a LB.

But he COULD have had 3 TD's if those 2 plays were caught and taken all the way.


In many ways the DeMercado one was the biggest of them all. We had the big deflating drop by Marv and then the big run by Benson we're down there and the perfect playcall it's a TD we're up 10-6 and he drops it and we settle for the FG so deflating.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

Said it last year and it's too obvious so I assume they've done it but have they had Marv's vision checked?

I have wondered the same. Maybe having him practice all of the time in full pads may also be an option. Try to simulate real game action in practice.

 

[football karma]

In many ways the DeMercado one was the biggest of them all. We had the big deflating drop by Marv and then the big run by Benson we're down there and the perfect playcall it's a TD we're up 10-6 and he drops it and we settle for the FG so deflating.

yep

 

[vince56]

Said it last year and it's too obvious so I assume they've done it but have they had Marv's vision checked?

It’s a good point, possibly an issue. I think the bigger one is his technique is terrible. I never really see him extend his arms, catch with his hands, and reel it in. He tried to body catch the big drop yesterday and it bounced off his chest. He extended for the ball in the end zone, but then didn’t come down with it. IDK he’s just a mess right now.

To be a good WR you have to be able to get WIDE and actually RECEIVE. He seems he can do one marginally well but it’s terrible at the second.

 

[MadCardDisease]

That pass that he drops he initially looks like he is going to catch it with his hands:

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Then at the last minute he changes his mind and tries to catch it with his body.

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Not to mention that he turns his head and starts to try and run way before he secured the ball.

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This kid is all in his head right now. He keeps making mental mistakes.

 

[PDXChris]

That pass that he drops he initially looks like he is going to catch it with his hands:

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Then at the last minute he changes his mind and tries to catch it with his body.

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Not to mention that he turns his head and starts to try and run way before he secured the ball.

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This kid is all in his head right now. He keeps making mental mistakes.

So, he wasn't even looking at Warner. Interesting!!

 

[kerouac9]

That pass that he drops he initially looks like he is going to catch it with his hands:

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Then at the last minute he changes his mind and tries to catch it with his body.

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Not to mention that he turns his head and starts to try and run way before he secured the ball.

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This kid is all in his head right now. He keeps making mental mistakes.

It was awful to watch.

 

[SoonerLou]

That pass that he drops he initially looks like he is going to catch it with his hands:

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Then at the last minute he changes his mind and tries to catch it with his body.

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Not to mention that he turns his head and starts to try and run way before he secured the ball.

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This kid is all in his head right now. He keeps making mental mistakes.

And I dont want to pile blame on Kyler (cause there is a thread for that).
However, you know the chemistry is bad when he arm punts this pass. Yes he should catch it. Yes he's worried about contact. Yes he's having confidence issues.

Still K1 is the more experienced and better player today. So I expect him to help his struggling young player out by not waiting an extra beat for him to have to slow down to catch it. That should have been an easy TD, but Kyler doesnt let it rip to MHJ like he does with Trey.

Now the question of if he gets hawked by Fred Warner is another topic.
Even this pass. Have some confidence to give him some confidence. Why is this such an underthrow limiting him to run after the catch.

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[GatorAZ]

That pass that he drops he initially looks like he is going to catch it with his hands:

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Then at the last minute he changes his mind and tries to catch it with his body.

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Not to mention that he turns his head and starts to try and run way before he secured the ball.

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This kid is all in his head right now. He keeps making mental mistakes.

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His feet were also off the ground when the ball first got there. That’s the sign of an uncomfortable receiver.
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[SoonerLou]

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His feet were also off the ground when the ball first got there. That’s the sign of an uncomfortable receiver.
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JG is in such a unique position.

People want Drew Petzing canned. However, they'd just promote the other Drew who has the least productive group in the NFL. The wrs keep getting worse every year.

 

[Zalixar]

I think the demon revealed in his shadow is the true source of his drops.

 

[Jetstream Green]

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His feet were also off the ground when the ball first got there. That’s the sign of an uncomfortable receiver.
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Maybe Marv needs corrective eyewear, seriously. Someone with vision issues would probably react like that. Regardless if it is his eyes or his mind, it is in his head it seems. The guy has the talent and skill

 

[Russ Smith]

And I dont want to pile blame on Kyler (cause there is a thread for that).
However, you know the chemistry is bad when he arm punts this pass. Yes he should catch it. Yes he's worried about contact. Yes he's having confidence issues.

Still K1 is the more experienced and better player today. So I expect him to help his struggling young player out by not waiting an extra beat for him to have to slow down to catch it. That should have been an easy TD, but Kyler doesnt let it rip to MHJ like he does with Trey.

Now the question of if he gets hawked by Fred Warner is another topic.
Even this pass. Have some confidence to give him some confidence. Why is this such an underthrow limiting him to run after the catch.

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He got his throwing hand hit on the release. I would say he let it go too late and he's doing the wind up thing that he does some times which drives me nuts because at his size quick release is important