Charmin Marvin Harrison Jr Thread

[Phrazbit]

Gannon said he wants killers. Sadly, unlike his father, Harrison Jr. is not a killer. He 100% deserves the nickname "Charmin" Marvin. #Sad.

Gotta buy Marv Jr a car wash, like his daddy had, that will stir up the blood lust.

 

[Phrazbit]

What has happened to him. Look at these highlights and it's not the same guy. He plays with passion, swagger, and tenacity here. Have seen very little of it so far

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I dunno if he's lost trust in his hands or that your typical college CB wasn't good enough to distract him... but either way, you're right. He ain't the same guy.

Maybe he is a "AAAA" player, maybe he is in his own head... I hope it's the latter.

I hope what some are saying here isn't true, that he just gives up on plays once Kyler starts to scramble, because that would take him out of like 70% of the offense. Even with a clean pocket, Kyler likes to scamper about.

 

[TheCardFan]

Generational

 

[DVontel]

We should force-feed the ball to Marv in the first 1st quarter to get him in a rhythm so he can drop those passes too.

 

[Stout]

Should have drafted Nabers.

True.

 

[Stout]

What's his dad have to do with anything?
Did Jerry Rice's kid get drafted because of his dad?
Harrison was drafted because of his production at OSU and was the right pick.
He's been a disappointment but his dad has nothing to do with it.

In hindsight, he clearly wasn't.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

In hindsight, he clearly wasn't.

If hindsight counted the Cards would be 17-0 and SB Champs every year.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

It pains me to say this because MHJ seems like such a great kid. I think in MHJ, Monti drafted his version of Isaiah Simmons. Back in 2023, many of the Michigan players were bagging on MHJ as soft and more interested in fashion than football. Simmons was a really nice kid who worked hard but seriously lacked instincts. Man I hope I am wrong!!

 

[kerouac9]

What has happened to him. Look at these highlights and it's not the same guy. He plays with passion, swagger, and tenacity here. Have seen very little of it so far

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They put that Cardinal in him

 

[602 Native]

I still can’t believe he dropped this.

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[kerouac9]

We should force-feed the ball to Marv in the first 1st quarter to get him in a rhythm so he can drop those passes too.

I know you’re making jokes but if they actually did that at least it would clear up the question some.

I usually say when someone isn’t playing or getting the share we expect that the coaches know better than we do. I’m open to that possibility despite being out on Petzing.

But the prospect of MHJ being Expensive Michael Wilson is too horrible to contemplate.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

ive had some time - it's true - petzing doesn't do charmin many favors and kyler doesn't always see or even look for charmin

now forget about all of that because it doesn't ******* matter - once the ball is in the air nothing else matters - charmin has one ******* job

truth is that was an embarrassment - complete lack of focus - dropped a td that was in his hands in the enzone but the wide open drop bothers me the most

people have their thoughts on the wide open drop - me? i saw why mhj isn't a punt returner - kyler floated the ball leaving time for the defense to approach as charmin waited for the ball... and guess who took their eyes off the ball - dumbest mistake a receiver or returner can make when nobody's around

after that drop i was all like " i doubt we see a drop from him again today" or some ish like that - then the enzone happened

side note: charmin/zay/cado catch their balls and kyler's near 300 yards with at least 2 more td passes on the box score guaranteed

one thing i will say in charmins defense is when kyler throws crappy 50/50 balls that are really more 75/25 balls favoring the cb - charmin turns into a defender and prevents the interception - nabers does not - or at least not yesterday - just let the interception happen

nabers saw that wilson's pass was short and he got annoyed instead of handling his business - i think he did the same/similar in game 1?

anyways - here's my hot take

THROW THE BALL TO CHARMIN 10 TIMES IN THE FIRST HALF AGAINST SEATTLE - IF HE GETS 100 YARDS THROW IT ANOTHER 10 TIMES IN THE SECOND HALF - WHATEVER HE IS - WE HAVE TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS TO FIND OUT

 

[football karma]

It pains me to say this because MHJ seems like such a great kid. I think in MHJ, Monti drafted his version of Isaiah Simmons. Back in 2023, many of the Michigan players were bagging on MHJ as soft and more interested in fashion than football. Simmons was a really nice kid who worked hard but seriously lacked instincts. Man I hope I am wrong!!

i think this is very accurate --

Keim and now Monti just love the good interview and seem to shy away from guys with too much swagger that hint at being a "me" guy.

Darius Robinson is another one of this type.

 

[football karma]

the only glass half full thing i have on Marv is that OFTEN young WRs have hands issues and they tend to go away with more experience. Even ones with great hands in college.

the fact it popping up still is concerning

 

[Chopper0080]

What has happened to him. Look at these highlights and it's not the same guy. He plays with passion, swagger, and tenacity here. Have seen very little of it so far

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From focal point to afterthought. From timing and rhythm passer to off-rhythm passer. It's not hard to fathom.

In the game vs SF, 7 players were targeted before MHJ. Conner, Benson, McBride, Reiman, Higgins, Wilson and Dortch.

19 plays were run before MHJ was targeted and it was an uncatchable ball.

37 1st half plays and MHJ got two targets. One was uncatchable and one was a 6 yard route.

Why isn't he playing aggressively? Would it matter? This is one of the worst environments for a WR in the NFL.

Probably the worst trait MHJ has at this point in time is not channeling his inner Keyshawn Johnson.

 

[Chopper0080]

True.

False. He would have a lot of the same struggles IMO.

 

[DVontel]

False. He would have a lot of the same struggles IMO.

He at least would be used a lot more in the screen game considering he’s an actual RAC threat unlike Marv.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

The term “yips” in sports is most commonly associated with baseball players. There are stories of infielders who could no longer make the toss to 2nd base to get the force out or catchers who could throw bullets to 2nd base but couldn’t make the throw from behind the plate back to the pitcher. The most infamous and painful example happened to a pitcher named Rick Ankiel. Ankiel was considered one of the all time greatest left handed pitching prospects. He threw upper 90’s with the most wicked curveball since Sandy Koafax. Ankiel had an amazing rookie year with the St. Louis Cardinals and then probably the greatest meltdown in playoff history. In the playoffs, he threw double digit wild pitches with some being 5 feet above the hitters head. Ankiel recently wrote a book about his struggles. He explained the paralyzing anxiety he felt every time he took the mound in a game. In practice, he could throw strikes with his eyes closed, but when the lights turned on, no matter what he did, the same terrifying fear would grip him and he couldn’t perform.

I really wonder if something like this is happening to Marvin. He can catch those jugs balls in practice with his eyes closed, but game time comes and instead of just reacting, his mind just repeats “catch the ball, please don’t drop it”. It may have started last year with that bizarre drop in the Buffalo game.

 

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[Chopper0080]

He at least would be used a lot more in the screen game considering he’s an actual RAC threat unlike Marv.

IMO, Kyler is not great at the screen game. His timing is bad. Also, I think they would use Nabers a lot like MHJ to clear out and create space. I do think Nabers would be more vocal, but I don't know if that's a good thing overall.

Basically, I don't trust Petzing or Kyler to effectively use a WR. The passing chart is what it is. It's what Petzing is calling and what Kyler is choosing.

 

[Chopper0080]

The term “yips” in sports is most commonly associated with baseball players. There are stories of infielders who could no longer make the toss to 2nd base to get the force out or catchers who could throw bullets to 2nd base but couldn’t make the throw from behind the plate back to the pitcher. The most infamous and painful example happened to a pitcher named Rick Ankiel. Ankiel was considered one of the all time greatest left handed pitching prospects. He threw upper 90’s with the most wicked curveball since Sandy Koafax. Ankiel had an amazing rookie year with the St. Louis Cardinals and then probably the greatest meltdown in playoff history. In the playoffs, he threw double digit wild pitches with some being 5 feet above the hitters head. Ankiel recently wrote a book about his struggles. He explained the paralyzing anxiety he felt every time he took the mound in a game. In practice, he could throw strikes with his eyes closed, but when the lights turned on, no matter what he did, the same terrifying fear would grip him and he couldn’t perform.

I really wonder if something like this is happening to Marvin. He can catch those jugs balls in practice with his eyes closed, but game time comes and instead of just reacting, his mind just repeats “catch the ball, please don’t drop it”. It may have started last year with that bizarre drop in the Buffalo game.

100%. The drop in the middle of the field was so unconventional that MHJ had so much time to over think it. It took forever to get there and I am sure MHJ knew that he could potentially race to the endzone if it ever got to him. Now, of course he has to catch it. No excuse. Bu tat this rate, MHJ needs to pay me to come throw the ball to him so he can adjust to these oddly thrown passes.

 

[SoonerLou]

What has happened to him. Look at these highlights and it's not the same guy. He plays with passion, swagger, and tenacity here. Have seen very little of it so far

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The team babied him and then broke him over the course of his rookie season.

-Way too many reports out of camp last year of MHJ going half speed in camp. Maybe it was to endure the rigors of the NFL. However, JG was ok not really working him.

- You have a OC after his 1st game that tells the media to not worry about if he gets catches/targets or not.
- He has a breakout game which two of his biggest plays were scramble drills/broken coverage. And JG has a goofy grin on his face about how "We changed nothing." Thus indicating even when he has a good game it certainly isnt coming within the rhythm of the offense.
- You have a QB who is completely bought into his HC/OC philosophy of if he gets the ball then great if not oh well.
- You have a QB/WR combo who are both introverts that struggle with communication. Both simply wont speak up about the confusion.
- You have, at least I've seen reportedly, just one time its been mentioned that MHJ/K1 have had an extended film session together. Which is damning because in our very division we hear about Stafford/Puka meeting at 7:30 together to figure out how they are going to attack defenses. The weak Cardinals media never points that out to K1 or MHJ.


I think we can question his overall raw speed. Drew calls plays like he doesnt believe he's good with YAC. And even while he's big he's not overly physical. I believe he bulked up too much or maybe his body needs a full year to adjust to the weight. What he doesnt do is play with power.

He doesnt break glass. Look at Jefferson or AJ Brown how violent they make cuts. And more importantly how they finish plays after catching it over the middle. As talented as is he there are too many times, he's looking to go down instead of doing more with the ball (YAC). Its like the defense knows they can let up once he has the ball in hands and not in fear this could be a TD play. Maybe that was always going to be an issue early. Those 11 pounds makes him look even more sluggish out there. Whose idea was it for the weight gain? Was there a promised emphasis on getting him the ball over the middle? However, maybe he'll adjust to it in a year. I'll agree he doesnt look great on broken plays, but maybe he feels like Kyler wont see him anyway.

Im just in disbelief how Bryce Young has immediately got TMAC the ball and you can see his confidence build each game.

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Do I really think MHJ would look as underwhelming 2 years in with Harbaugh and Herbert? Of course not. He's flawed, he's soft, he's not generational, etc etc etc. A more buttoned up organization he shows way more than he does here with the anti WR offense (whoever fault it is). Idk if Ben Johnson is a HC or not but at least he's making top 10 pick Rome Odunze look like a WR drafted top 10.

 

[iLLmatiC]

I hate Kyler as much as the rest of everyone but some of yall are coping hard.

 

[DVontel]

IMO, Kyler is not great at the screen game. His timing is bad. Also, I think they would use Nabers a lot like MHJ to clear out and create space

I think we’ve called maybe 3 WR screens this so far this season & Kyler hasn’t missed a single one of them. Remember that screen TD to Wilson that got called back last week? We absolutely would be doing that with Nabers & arguably a lot. We don’t do it with Marv because he’s no RAC threat.

 

[iLLmatiC]

IMO, Kyler is not great at the screen game. His timing is bad. Also, I think they would use Nabers a lot like MHJ to clear out and create space. I do think Nabers would be more vocal, but I don't know if that's a good thing overall.

Basically, I don't trust Petzing or Kyler to effectively use a WR. The passing chart is what it is. It's what Petzing is calling and what Kyler is choosing.

Still missed an easy gimme pass yesterday. If Petzing and Kyler are going to get torched on a weekly basis he needs to share some blame too.