Micah Parsons traded to the Packers. Deal is done!

[Chopper0080]

ESPN reports Packers, Ravens and Cardinals were the 3 teams negotiating with the Cowboys

Oh Monti. What could have been.

 

[602 Native]

ESPN reports Packers, Ravens and Cardinals were the 3 teams negotiating with the Cowboys

LOL

We were never getting Parsons going against actual real NFL teams.

 

[602 Native]

It's ok man. "You should just sign great players no matter the cost or roster composition" is exactly the depth of thinking I expect from you dude. Good to see the consistency.

As to your original question, the Rams had Aaron Donald for what, 10 years? And won one super bowl. And they only did that by changing their QB. And they went further in the playoffs than the year previously before Donald retired. Only narrowly getting beat by the eventually Champs in the divisional round. So I guess you have your answer.

Being against acquiring elite players that transforms an entire side is quite the stance.

Brit is a special talent. Brit is the only individual I could’ve seen being against that trade for Green Bay. Bravo.

Brit is beyond help at this point.

The Cards will never win a ring trying to outsmart everyone instead of just trying to get the best talent they possibly can.

Lets be cute hiring a GM, lets be cute hiring a coach, lets be cute in the draft. How about we just get the best people available and stop letting them walk out the building without a contract.

 

[QuebecCard]

Brit is beyond help at this point.

The Cards will never win a ring trying to outsmart everyone instead of just trying to get the best talent they possibly can.

Lets be cute hiring a GM, lets be cute hiring a coach, lets be cute in the draft. How about we just get the best people available and stop letting them walk out the building without a contract.

Who are you talking about?

 

[football karma]

LOL

We were never getting Parsons going against actual real NFL teams.

then why didnt the Ravens?

 

[BACH]

Oh Monti. What could have been.

I like that he was in the talks, but you have to assume that the Cowboys preferred dealing with the Ravens as an AFC team and Parson preferred going to the better teams, so we were least likely in this race. That would mean relatively overpaying the cowboys and then relatively overpaying Parsons in order to get it done.

 

[Chopper0080]

I like that he was in the talks, but you have to assume that the Cowboys preferred dealing with the Ravens as an AFC team and Parson preferred going to the better teams, so we were least likely in this race. That would mean relatively overpaying the cowboys and then relatively overpaying Parsons in order to get it done.

I disagree that destination mattered that much. IMO, compensation was the biggest key and the Cardinals did not have a player on the level of Kenny Clark to offer in the trade.

 

[oaken1]

The point is if you are going to invest that much in a pass rusher, you damn well better be a real contender with his addition. You don't believe we would be because of Kyler, so the acquisition doesn't make any sense.

By the way I am far from sold on Kyler being the answer either, which is one of the reasons why I don't think this trade would be a good idea for the Cards. But the main reason is I just don't think LT at his peak - let alone Parsons - would be worth nearly a quarter of my teams cap space.

see,...while I am absolutely down on Kyler...I do think we could possibly win it all with him...if the defense is good enough to drag him through his high pressure issues.
he is much better than Trent Dilfer...but Trents defense and running game carried him to a Lombardi...we could do the same...... Im actually hopeful if the defense can actually drag him through his issues there whatever mental block he has may actually erode. which would free him up to play much better in the future... but we have to get there...and while our current defense plays very hard and looks greatly upgraded on paper...adding a guy like Parsons across from Sweat would make our pass rush a pretty devastating unit,,,and might make the defense as a whole good enough to carry the team to a championship.

 

[football karma]

I disagree that destination mattered that much. IMO, compensation was the biggest key and the Cardinals did not have a player on the level of Kenny Clark to offer in the trade.

i think it came down to how much Jerry (over)valued Kenny Clark

Lets say: two 1sts + 2nd + some mid tier player (Zaven Collins)

id argue that a 2nd is more valuable than Kenny Clark, but......

 

[kerouac9]

i think it came down to how much Jerry (over)valued Kenny Clark

Lets say: two 1sts + 2nd + some mid tier player (Zaven Collins)

id argue that a 2nd is more valuable than Kenny Clark, but......

We’ve invested two first round picks on IDLs hoping one of them might work out to be a Pro Bowl player (after letting a future All Pro leave).

A sure thing is always more valuable than magic beans.

 

[daves]

I think this is valid. A trade for Parsons would essentially send an "all in" signal on KM. The FO may say they are, but they remain fiscally noncommittal.

ESPN reports Packers, Ravens and Cardinals were the 3 teams negotiating with the Cowboys

If the Cardinals did seriously pursue Parsons, the logical implication is that the front office is all-in on Murray.

 

[602 Native]

then why didnt the Ravens?

We aren't the Ravens or the Packers stop thinking we are in the same league.

 

[daves]

The Packers starting CB's are Nate Hobbs and Keisean Nixon. The only other CB's on their roster are converted WR Bo Melton (Max's brother), Carrington Valentine and Kamal Hadden. Their iDL is now Kark Brooks, Devonte Wyatt, Nazir Stackhouse (rookie), Brenton Cox (who has 160 snaps in the league) and Barryn Sorrell (rookie).

Cool, they have Micah, and I like Gary, Edgerin and their safeties. But the rest of that defense is nothing to worry opposition teams. I'm not even sure it's better than the Dallas defense he just left. I'm pretty sure Parsons can't play all 11 positions no matter how much you pay him.

Their safeties include a first-team All Pro (McKinney). Somehow their "nothing to worry about" roster managed to rank 6th (points) / 5th (yards) last season. Seems to me that upgrading from a good DT to a generational EDGE could make them pretty worrisome.

 

[Shane]

We aren't the Ravens or the Packers stop thinking we are in the same league.

Actually we are in the EXACT SAME league

 

[DVontel]

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[schutd]

If the Cardinals did seriously pursue Parsons, the logical implication is that the front office is all-in on Murray.

Or they had a red line they wouldn't cross in terms of ability to retain flexibility. And without two years of first round picks, no chance to find a QB if needed.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

unless there is some hidden injury, the Cowboys got fleeced. The Cowboys will probably get a potential DL and OL. Parsons is a proven stud.

If???? Monti was in on the deal, he should’ve beaten that offer.

Cap implications are non-existent.

How many times are game changing players on the market?

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

jerry jones refused to negotiate with the negotiator - pure narcissistupidity

 

[BACH]

I disagree that destination mattered that much. IMO, compensation was the biggest key and the Cardinals did not have a player on the level of Kenny Clark to offer in the trade.

Maybe… we are both guessing here.

But disagree on not having a player to offer. Youth matters, so Stills or DR would have a relatively higher value than their production suggest. Clark turns 30 in a month and his play has started to drop off (3 years since he was a pro-bowler)

 

[BACH]

unless there is some hidden injury, the Cowboys got fleeced. The Cowboys will probably get a potential DL and OL. Parsons is a proven stud.

If???? Monti was in on the deal, he should’ve beaten that offer.

Cap implications are non-existent.

How many times are game changing players on the market?

Ceteris paribus I agree.

But we just do not know details.

Maybe Monti had to give up DR, 2x 1st and give $49M a year and he decided no.

 

[Adrian]

Cowboys' Brian Schottenheimer addresses players after Micah Parsons trade: 'Our team goals haven't changed'

First-year Dallas Cowboys head coach Brian Schottenheimer doesn't want his team to skip a beat after Thursday's trade.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[oaken1]

Ceteris paribus I agree.

But we just do not know details.

Maybe Monti had to give up DR, 2x 1st and give $49M a year and he decided no.

Yeah. I know DR hasn't proven anything yet but that would have been a hard pill to swallow.
Make it Ojulari, and I'm all in. The kid showed good promise in his limited playing time.
But..."availability " and all that...
Would have made him far easier to part with.

 

[BACH]

Yeah. I know DR hasn't proven anything yet but that would have been a hard pill to swallow.
Make it Ojulari, and I'm all in. The kid showed good promise in his limited playing time.
But..."availability " and all that...
Would have made him far easier to part with.

I 100% agree.

Would have loved Parsons on the team.

We have zero clue what happened behind the closed doors, but I can easily see a scenario where Monti decided that DR (exemple) 2x 1st and a $47M contract was not worth it considering the investment in Sweat, Browning and Burch this off season

 

[oaken1]

tough to say. I would have to disagree with him though... but I would probably try

I 100% agree.

Would have loved Parsons on the team.

We have zero clue what happened behind the closed doors, but I can easily see a scenario where Monti decided that DR (exemple) 2x 1st and a $47M contract was not worth it considering the investment in Sweat, Browning and Burch this off season

and sweeten the deal with an additional third in lieu of a player...not sure of the numbers but GB may have had to include a player to make it work for the cap....though I heard his cap hit is really low...
The picks have value..we still need an OT... but they have the most value for us if we feel we may need a rookie QB in the next two years...
but its a bird in the hand scenario...the odds of either of those first round picks being as impactful as Parson?? like 1/200...they are statistically more likely to bust than be a player of Parsons caliber... as for the money?? I used to get worked up over that...but it aint my money...as long as they can make the cap work I dont care if they pay the backup waterboy 60mil...they are nearly all ridiculously overpaid...but good for them. I would cash the check too.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Ceteris paribus I agree.

But we just do not know details.

Maybe Monti had to give up DR, 2x 1st and give $49M a year and he decided no.

If Dallas would’ve accepted that, Monti is a fool for not making it happen.
I’m guessing in his entire career, no OC is going to game plan based on DR.

They’re going to game plan for Parsons about every play.