For Those Questioning Reiman’s Value

[Chopper0080]

The hope is he can be a blocking weapon and situational player ala Kyle Juszczyk.

 

[602 Native]

Reiman is a good player for sure.

He was not and is still not 3rd worthy in terms of where he was drafted. Especially in the face of having just drafted McBride.

You can find run blocking TEs literally anywhere in the draft.

 

[Totally_Red]

He is a te who blocks well, not a blocking TE.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The hope is he can be a blocking weapon and situational player ala Kyle Juszczyk.

Juszczyk seems to have more wiggle to his game...I'd be thrilled if he could have a Juszczyk type impact, especially if you can move him into the backfield etc to mix things up.

 

[oaken1]

Juszczyk seems to have more wiggle to his game...I'd be thrilled if he could have a Juszczyk type impact, especially if you can move him into the backfield etc to mix things up.

They have already used him as a FB... I imagine that will continue

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You tell me man. I really aint in tune with drama...but it doesnt seem drastic for a second year jump.
but it would signal a change in the offense.... my thinking is, the coaches need to see what he can handle...just in case Trey goes down for an extended period. They know what Higgybear can do catching the ball but they also know his blocking is better suited for the edges instead of inline...they need to know if the play calling has to change drastically if Trey gets hurt and the only way to know that is to bump Tips role and see what he does with it.

30 catches would put him in the top 30 TEs. Yeah, that’s dramatic.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not IMO.

TEs are one of the hardest positions to adjust to in the NFL. You see some TEs making an early impact, but they are all receiving TE. Learning the blocking scheme is harder than the passing tree and TEs asked to do both do not make an immediate impact. McBride and Kelce hardly played as rookies. Kittle had 400 yards in his first 15 games as TE1 in a short passing game scheme and then clicked in the last game of the season and forward.

Kelce went from 0 to 87 targets from rookie to 2nd year player.
McBride went from 39 to 109 targets from rookie to 2nd year player.
Kittle went from 63 to 136 targets from rookie to 2nd year player.

Reiman came in as a blocking TE from a run heavy college team being asked to be a TE2 in a run-heavy 12 scheme. The coaches wanted him to focus on the blocking first because that is his primary job.

Reiman also came in as having the 2nd highest RAS score by any TE ever recorded at the combine (Only Pitts scored higher). Meaning that the athletic tool-set is there. Whether he is incapable of using that tool-set or the coaches decided not to utilize him in the passing game because he wasn't ready we do not know. BUT! Given the low number of targets and the fact that he was told to focus on the run game first, all indications are the latter of the two.

We know that he has worked the entire off-season on adopting the passing game better. We have rumors from the closed practices that he is being incorporated more into the passing game.

Based on all this. 30 is not dramatic at all IMO. I could easily see Reiman getting 30-45 receptions. I'm not saying he's an All-pro based on this. Just that he's much better than his numbers and usage suggest.

What your post ignores is that when Kelce, McBride and kittle took those jumps they didn’t also have a McBride on the team. Also you’re measuring targets for those guys not catches. So for reiman to end up with 30 catches that’s likely at least 50 targets. And you used the three best tight ends in the game as a comparison. And those jumps they took WERE dramatic jumps. In fact, I think you just made MY argument that a jump from 6 to 30 catches would be a dramatic jump.

Btw, the argument isn’t whether he’s capable of that or not. We weren’t addressing that. So don’t think I am saying 30 is unreasonable (it’s not unreasonable imo - unlikely, but not unreasonable). It was whether it’s a dramatic jump. I don’t see how a 500% jump can be considered anything but dramatic for anyone b

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Reiman is a good player for sure.

He was not and is still not 3rd worthy in terms of where he was drafted. Especially in the face of having just drafted McBride.

You can find run blocking TEs literally anywhere in the draft.

But you’re wrong. They can’t easily be found and if they have receiving ability it’s a great asset.

Reiman should be one of the last conversations about a roster spot.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Reiman is going to play in the league for 10 years. It was a great pick.
They could’ve drafted the next Buster Davis, or what his name was, with that pick.

 

[oaken1]

speaking of tight ends...
Im watching the Niners Raiders game.
The Raiders have this kid named Carter Runyon...undrafted free agent
But all of his negatives seem to be technique related,...and the kid went to college at Towson....yeah,...where? Towson.
But Im watching this 24 year old rookie(another negative)...just eat the niners defense alive...and if he was getting passes from a QB other than Aiden O'Connell...his numbers would be even more impressive.
the kid is 6'4" 250...of course Towson had him listed as 6'6" 265... but anyway...once the kid makes the catch he runs a lot like Boom Boom McBride...a YAC monster...

point being, other than me being semi excited the Raiders seemed to have found a legit TE threat....
dude is a clear receiving TE..and with a second round grade in his scouting reports he went undrafted..... Maybe blocking ability is important... the ability to pancake a starting NFL DE,...then taunt him about it..maybe it has value.

 

[Goldfield]

If the player is a great fit for what the team does then it doesn’t matter where they were picked. Those are the players you go get.

 

[Shane]

speaking of tight ends...
Im watching the Niners Raiders game.
The Raiders have this kid named Carter Runyon...undrafted free agent
But all of his negatives seem to be technique related,...and the kid went to college at Towson....yeah,...where? Towson.
But Im watching this 24 year old rookie(another negative)...just eat the niners defense alive...and if he was getting passes from a QB other than Aiden O'Connell...his numbers would be even more impressive.
the kid is 6'4" 250...of course Towson had him listed as 6'6" 265... but anyway...once the kid makes the catch he runs a lot like Boom Boom McBride...a YAC monster...

point being, other than me being semi excited the Raiders seemed to have found a legit TE threat....
dude is a clear receiving TE..and with a second round grade in his scouting reports he went undrafted..... Maybe blocking ability is important... the ability to pancake a starting NFL DE,...then taunt him about it..maybe it has value.

Well, the kid ain’t gonna see much playing time in passing downs with Brock Bowers on the depth chart ahead of them…. Less maybe they deploy old Patriots like offense?

 

[oaken1]

Well, the kid ain’t gonna see much playing time in passing downs with Brock Bowers on the depth chart ahead of them…. Less maybe they deploy old Patriots like offense?

I think his best bet is just to compile some good tape so he can show his value in free agency...but with Pete at HC you never know

 

[BACH]

What your post ignores is that when Kelce, McBride and kittle took those jumps they didn’t also have a McBride on the team. Also you’re measuring targets for those guys not catches. So for reiman to end up with 30 catches that’s likely at least 50 targets. And you used the three best tight ends in the game as a comparison. And those jumps they took WERE dramatic jumps. In fact, I think you just made MY argument that a jump from 6 to 30 catches would be a dramatic jump.

Btw, the argument isn’t whether he’s capable of that or not. We weren’t addressing that. So don’t think I am saying 30 is unreasonable (it’s not unreasonable imo - unlikely, but not unreasonable). It was whether it’s a dramatic jump. I don’t see how a 500% jump can be considered anything but dramatic for anyone b

Whether it’s dramatic or not was not my argument.

I stated that I’m convinced Reiman will be an incorporated part of the offense. He’s simply too talented and on the field too much not to be and that 30 catches was realistic

 

[THESMEL]

Opponents don’t want him to catch it either, because will smush the tackler instead of trying to avoid

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Whether it’s dramatic or not was not my argument.

I stated that I’m convinced Reiman will be an incorporated part of the offense. He’s simply too talented and on the field too much not to be and that 30 catches was realistic

But you were responding to me. And we were talking dramatic or not. No biggie.

 

[BACH]

But you were responding to me. And we were talking dramatic or not. No biggie.

Zero biggie

But I was responding to whether 30 receptions were realistic. Not if it was dramatic.

Either way I think he will have 30-45 catchers and that will be a dramatic shift from his rookie output

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Zero biggie

But I was responding to whether 30 receptions were realistic. Not if it was dramatic.

Either way I think he will have 30-45 catchers and that will be a dramatic shift from his rookie output

I’ll be shocked and stoked if he does. That means our tightends likely end up with 150+ receptions between the three of them. That seems like a lot.

 

[Krangodnzr]

But you’re wrong. They can’t easily be found and if they have receiving ability it’s a great asset.

Reiman should be one of the last conversations about a roster spot.

Yeah to say you can find a blocking TE anywhere in the draft is just not true.

Most drafted players aren't any good at anything in the NFL. Reiman is already a really damn good blocker, better than a large percentage of even veteran NFL TEs. He replaced Swaim and he was better than Swaim as a rookie as a blocker.

He only has to present passing receiving ability to be a good player in the NFL because his potential is top blocker.

 

[Krangodnzr]

The hope is he can be a blocking weapon and situational player ala Kyle Juszczyk.

Would Juszczyk be worth a third rounder? I think so.

 

[football karma]

super curious to see how the Cards use Reiman in the passing game this year

should give us a sense on if he is viewed as a glorified third OT, or, if they see him as a more complete TE.

Again, I dont think he needs a ton of targets, but i do think he needs some or he wont be treated by the D as a receiver

 

[CardNots]

super curious to see how the Cards use Reiman in the passing game this year

should give us a sense on if he is viewed as a glorified third OT, or, if they see him as a more complete TE.

Again, I dont think he needs a ton of targets, but i do think he needs some or he wont be treated by the D as a receiver

I’m pretty sure the coach doesn’t want to show Tip’s receiving capability in the preseason.

 

[Garthshort]

Why it will be tough to reach 30 catches.
1. We run a lot. At least, that will get him on the field.
2. Fans will be calling for MH to be targeted more.
3. McBride is on the team.
4. Only play with one football.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

lot of opinions on tips role - if we want defenses to respect tip as a receiver kyler could simply to throw it to him at least once during the beginning of the game

i can see the benefits of forcing them to put a hat on tip but for tip to run routes he typically has to block first (not pretend block) then release so it's a bit more complicated than that

i on the other hand would like to throw to him primarily on 3rd downs and in the red zone - and i want defenses to know it

it's not the amount of catches im concerned with but rather when and where

 

[BACH]

i on the other hand would like to throw to him primarily on 3rd downs and in the red zone - and i want defenses to know it

It’s a failure if they don’t. A 6-7, 275 TE, who is more athletic than the LBs. That is a scary mismatch