OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[kerouac9]

Then you haven't been watching the games because he does it all the time noob.

This seems a little aggressive for someone who came in very politely

 

[Adrian]

NFL Coaches, GM's Blast Arizona Cardinals QB Kyler Murray

Arizona Cardinals QB Kyler Murray doesn't have many fans working in the NFL.

www.si.com

 

[Adrian]

Then you haven't been watching the games because he does it all the time noob.

Not cool.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Then you haven't been watching the games because he does it all the time noob.

Kyler steps up in the pocket and makes throws “all the time”? No… Crimson. His inability to do so is one of the biggest criticisms levied at him because he breaks from the pocket constantly, even when he’s got time.

 

[unseenaz]

Welcome to the board! It’s meatless Monday here, so I’ll have a smoked apple gose and black bean and corn salad with cilantro vinaigrette.

This is more alarming than some of your offseason takes.

 

[kerouac9]

NFL Coaches, GM's Blast Arizona Cardinals QB Kyler Murray

Arizona Cardinals QB Kyler Murray doesn't have many fans working in the NFL.

www.si.com

Headline is inflammatory but can’t disagree with the gist of the argument.

 

[kerouac9]

This is more alarming than some of your offseason takes.

History will also prove me right on this

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Not cool.

But it's cool for someone with four posts to come in trashing your QB1 Ronin? Really?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

This seems a little aggressive for someone who came in very politely

You can let someone with eight posts punk out your QB1 if you want. I'd prefer not to.

 

[kerouac9]

But it's cool for someone with four posts to come in trashing your QB1 Ronin? Really?

That’s not what he did

 

[Cheesebeef]

But it's cool for someone with four posts to come in trashing your QB1 Ronin? Really?

The poster you trashed is a Cardinals fan. That means Kyler is HIS QB also. Last time I looked, there was no post count someone had to clear before they speak their mind for good or bad. He has as much right to say whatever he wants.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Kyler steps up in the pocket and makes throws “all the time”? No… Crimson. His inability to do so is one of the biggest criticisms levied at him because he breaks from the pocket constantly, even when he’s got time.

He said he's never seen Murray take a hit to make throw. Which is ****. If I have to I'll put up some highlights. Let me know.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You can let someone with eight posts punk out your QB1 if you want. I'd prefer not to.

Again, it’s HIS QB1 also.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He said he's never seen Murray take a hit to make throw. Which is ****. If I have to I'll put up some highlights. Let me know.

Edit: I don’t need to get a wrapped up in this.

 

[Shane]

You can let someone with eight posts punk out your QB1 if you want. I'd prefer not to.

Post count is irrelevant and then you argued with a mod. Maybe you need a break.

The same courtesy should be allowed somebody with one post or 20,000 posts it doesn’t matter.

 

[PDXChris]

New here and just want to state for the record that I'm not a fan of Murray. He's serviceable, can win games, maybe win a playoff or two but I cant wait to get rid of him. Also knowing he's better than QB hell. I'm hoping we trade him to Dallas for Dak even.

My biggest gripe is he refuses to get hit, will take sit down sacks and run around rather than step up and make a throw. In the preseason game Minshew got rocked and delivered a ball for a first down knowing he was going to get hit. I've never seen Murray do it.

Outside is Josh Allen, I doubt any QB likes to get hit. But he took one of the most violent hits last season and this was how he responded. He has plenty of warts, but I'm not sure this is it. I think he's more worried about taking the sack and losing yardage.

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[kerouac9]

Outside is Josh Allen, I doubt any QB likes to get hit. But he took one of the most violent hits last season and this was how he responded. He has plenty of warts, but I'm not sure this is it. I think he's more worried about taking the sack and losing yardage.

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I mean, this was a blideside hit where Kyler had no choice or chance. This isn’t really the same.

Check out the 90-second mark of this video for what the default view on Kyler is:

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[PDXChris]

I mean, this was a blideside hit where Kyler had no choice or chance. This isn’t really the same.

Check out the 90-second mark of this video for what the default view on Kyler is:

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The OP said Kyler doesn't like to get hit, no QB likes to get hit. I showed the worst hit of his career and he was unphased by it. He got up, smiles and dropped a dime in MHJs hands. Absolutely the same in response to the OP.

Again, I don't believe it's about the hits, I believe it's about taking the sack and the negative yards. He needs to learn it's ok to take a sack a limit mistakes.

 

[kerouac9]

The OP said Kyler doesn't like to get hit, no QB likes to get hit. I showed the worst hit of his career and he was unphased by it. He got up, smiles and dropped a dime in MHJs hands. Absolutely the same in response to the OP.

Again, I don't believe it's about the hits, I believe it's about taking the sack and the negative yards. He needs to learn it's ok to take a sack a limit mistakes.

I mean, if you think that his erases all the real examples of Kyler playing rattled once he’s been hit in the pocket, I don’t know what to tell you.

The argument the OP is making is whether Kyler has the fortitude to deliver the ball with an opponent bearing down on him vs just turtling up.

I dunno if Kyler takes too many sacks, but I think he can be better at anticipating the pressure and throwing the ball away.

 

[daves]

The argument the OP is making is whether Kyler has the fortitude to deliver the ball with an opponent bearing down on him vs just turtling up.

This.

As said in the video @kerouac9 linked... when pressured, Murray's yards per attempt ranked 34th, his "QB rating" (not sure whether the guy meant passer rating or QBR, but either way...) was 39th, and he threw the 3rd most interceptions.

He panics under pressure (basically, what @Harry called QB PTSD, though I think it could just be from lack of studying, so he isn't prepared for how the defense will attack him and doesn't immediately know where to go with the ball when pressured). This is a fatal flaw.

 

[PDXChris]

I dunno if Kyler takes too many sacks, but I think he can be better at anticipating the pressure and throwing the ball away.

We are in full agreement here.

 

[PDXChris]

This.

As said in the video @kerouac9 linked... when pressured, Murray's yards per attempt ranked 34th, his "QB rating" was 39th, and he threw the 3rd most interceptions.

He panics under pressure (basically, what @Harry called QB PTSD, though I think it could just be from lack of studying, so he is surprised by how the defense is rushing and doesn't immediately know where to go with the ball when pressured). This is a fatal flaw.

You are also saying it's something mental. I agree, I don't agree that he doesn't want to get hit that is different than any other QB in the league. If that were the case, he ne a shortstop in Sacramento right now.

 

[BritCard]

The more I watch this throw, which was a good throw, the more I'm concerned it only happened because a big gap opened between the C and RG.

Does this throw happen if it doesn't? I'm not sure it does.

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[BritCard]

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[Stout]

You complain when K1 stat pads but puke out a post like this.

You dodge the point. You made the comparison; you can live with the actual comparison results.