What’s up with PR?

[dreamcastrocks]

I used to be quite more engaged in P&R until it became a free-for-all. I never understood why P&R had different rules than the rest of the forum. If everyone acted as civil in P&R, as they are required to everywhere else in the forum, it would be perfectly fine to deal with.

We have lost some amazing people/moderators specifically because of the difficulties of moderating P&R, and that should never happen. I was in favor of shutting it down permanently then, and still am. The only way I would want to see it back is if it kept the same rules as the rest of the board and permabanning comes back for habitual offenders.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

The problem with P&R is its "agree with the mob or be swiftly cut down"

It has turned off quite a few posters that used to frequent in there. Now the usual 6-8 posters on that side sort of just prowl around like hyenas casting everybody as a NAZI if they do not kiss the ring

I saw a drunk post ( that has since been removed ) from one of the usual suspects last night a little after midnight and it was chock full hateful rhetoric

It is not an open area for conversation anymore

 

[Rivercard]

If this forum ever does reopen I think we should ban puns.

First offenders should be banned for life

Oh man, I think my post count would be cut in half.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Oh man, I think my post count would be cut in half.

i'd be exiled before i hit "post reply"

 

[Mainstreet]

I used to be quite more engaged in P&R until it became a free-for-all. I never understood why P&R had different rules than the rest of the forum. If everyone acted as civil in P&R, as they are required to everywhere else in the forum, it would be perfectly fine to deal with.

We have lots some amazing people/moderators specifically because of the difficulties of moderating P&R, and that should never happen. I was in favor of shutting it down permanently then, and still am. The only way I would want to see it back is if it kept the same rules as the rest of the board and permabanning comes back for habitual offenders.

I agree wholeheartedly, the same rules should apply to every forum.

One shouldn't have to wonder if different forums have different rules.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I used to be quite more engaged in P&R until it became a free-for-all. I never understood why P&R had different rules than the rest of the forum. If everyone acted as civil in P&R, as they are required to everywhere else in the forum, it would be perfectly fine to deal with.

I agree wholeheartedly, the same rules should apply to every forum.

One shouldn't have to wonder if different forums have different rules.

Agreed

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Oh, and I agree with others that stated it should be a site wide permaban if you get banned from P&R.

 

[QuebecCard]

I do not tend to engage with anybody who uses the term Nazi or bigot. I know those are the unhinged ones.

#FreshStart

Control your pseudo-fascist views and a juvenile desire to 'own the libs,' and you won't have any issues.

The same admonition applies to those posters who automatically label anyone who supported Trump a traitor to the nation.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Control your pseudo-fascist views and a juvenile desire to 'own the libs,' and you won't have any issues.

The same admonition applies to those posters who automatically label anyone who supported Trump a traitor to the nation.

This is the epitome of why P&R should never re-open.

 

[Town Drunk]

This is the epitome of why P&R should never re-open.

Disagree, this is an example of why bans need to be upheld. Everyone knows Johnny’s schtick is to just troll and not engage in an actual conversation. He was allowed to do that consistently with the loosening of the rules. I’m not sure what the expectation was of that decision and to reinstate those who were perma banned, but it led to more issues.

The board needs to be moderated and people need to be banned when they cross the line, just like with the other boards. I think the issue is there’s no one who wants to moderate the board, which will likely lead to its demise, which is unfortunate given the value of it.

 

[Devilmaycare]

Disagree, this is an example of why bans need to be upheld. Everyone knows Johnny’s schtick is to just troll and not engage in an actual conversation. He was allowed to do that consistently with the loosening of the rules. I’m not sure what the expectation was of that decision and to reinstate those who were perma banned, but it led to more issues.

The board needs to be moderated and people need to be banned when they cross the line, just like with the other boards. I think the issue is there’s no one who wants to moderate the board, which will likely lead to its demise, which is unfortunate given the value of it.

Sell me on the value of it. I can be convinced. There's been very little of it as of late with the way everyone has been acting in there. It's not just Johnny either even though he's the favorite scapegoat here.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Sell me on the value of it. I can be convinced. There's been very little of it as of late with the way everyone has been acting in there. It's not just Johnny either even though he's the favorite scapegoat here.

Calling him a scapegoat makes me gag. I've never seen more obvious (and permitted) trolling in my life and he should have been banned permanently years ago or forced to follow the rules. He is not a scapegoat, he's one of several problem posters (on each side) but the ONLY one that often chooses to not interact in good faith. I love P&R even when I despise what I see, I think it's vital that it return but it's equally vital that it be moderated.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Disagree, this is an example of why bans need to be upheld. Everyone knows Johnny’s schtick is to just troll and not engage in an actual conversation. He was allowed to do that consistently with the loosening of the rules. I’m not sure what the expectation was of that decision and to reinstate those who were perma banned, but it led to more issues.

The board needs to be moderated and people need to be banned when they cross the line, just like with the other boards. I think the issue is there’s no one who wants to moderate the board, which will likely lead to its demise, which is unfortunate given the value of it.

Calling someone's views psuedo-facist is name calling and breaks the rules of the forum. If we can't talk civil to each other in a discussion thread like this, it won't be done if P&R re-opens. Simple as that.

For the record, I don't agree with virtually anything Johnny says.

 

[Town Drunk]

Calling someone's views psuedo-facist is name calling and breaks the rules of the forum. If we can't talk civil to each other in a discussion thread like this, it won't be done if P&R re-opens. Simple as that.

For the record, I don't agree with virtually anything Johnny says.

I don’t disagree with you but that was essentially allowed under the loosening of the rules. When you allow an obvious troll by every internet definition to continue to pollute thread after thread, you’re going to get responses like that directed to said troll.

 

[Town Drunk]

Sell me on the value of it. I can be convinced. There's been very little of it as of late with the way everyone has been acting in there. It's not just Johnny either even though he's the favorite scapegoat here.

Heading out to dinner so I’ll come back to this.

 

[Russ Smith]

Calling someone's views psuedo-facist is name calling and breaks the rules of the forum. If we can't talk civil to each other in a discussion thread like this, it won't be done if P&R re-opens. Simple as that.

For the record, I don't agree with virtually anything Johnny says.

My issue is the last sentence. How could anybody agree or disagree he never says anything? He just drops in drops some insult or smart A comment and then vanishes again.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

My issue is the last sentence. How could anybody agree or disagree he never says anything? He just drops in drops some insult or smart A comment and then vanishes again.

If he doesn't say anything, how can his views be psuedo-fascist?

 

[Dr. Jones]

Calling him a scapegoat makes me gag. I've never seen more obvious (and permitted) trolling in my life and he should have been banned permanently years ago or forced to follow the rules. He is not a scapegoat, he's one of several problem posters (on each side) but the ONLY one that often chooses to not interact in good faith. I love P&R even when I despise what I see, I think it's vital that it return but it's equally vital that it be moderated.

I give you..... A moderator on this site.

My guess.... Zero of you have him on ignore. And zero gag when he posts his trolling bile.

And no, I don’t think that everyone that votes different from me is an anti-American traitor - just the people that voted for Donald Trump, who is an anti-American traitor

The Right Wing can not, as proven during Clinton's and now Obama's term, handle a Democratic President, so they tell lies and distortions to inflame the masses that don't look into details.

Treasonous bastards, all of them.

The act of voting for any Republican in 2024 is tantamount to treason

Afghanistan was 100% HIS FAULT. Trump, Vance, and the entire Anti-American MAGAT cult can go straight to hell for their lies and their treason.

Republicans are destroying this country

Anybody at the voting for ANY republican in 2024 is an enemy of equality

All enemies foreign and domestic.

Yes, there is domestic terrorism. And yes, tens of thousands of Republicans fit the bill

Screw the Scotus
Screw anyone that didn’t vote for Clinton in 2016

And Screw anyone that still is undecided about voting for Harris

The GOP is literally women killing monsters

 

[AzStevenCal]

I give you..... A moderator on this site.

My guess.... Zero of you have him on ignore. And zero gag when he posts his trolling bile.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? Yes there are "rule breakers" on both sides. My point was solely about trolling, almost all trolling on this site is done by one poster. The name calling, the personal attacks, they need to stop and yes, much of that is done by left leaning posters.

 

[Russ Smith]

If he doesn't say anything, how can his views be psuedo-fascist?

Worded poorly he doesn't DISCUSS anything.

 

[Russ Smith]

I give you..... A moderator on this site.

My guess.... Zero of you have him on ignore. And zero gag when he posts his trolling bile.

Trying not to push the rules here on this thread.

That poster is NOT trolling.He believes what he posts to be true and he'll happily defend his positions.

Some others ARE trolling.

 

[Lorenzo]

Trying not to push the rules here on this thread.

That poster is NOT trolling.He believes what he posts to be true and he'll happily defend his positions.

Some others ARE trolling.

I agree and if the forum does return, I think that's where it is important for serious posters to avoid insults. and then the trolls won't be empowered to remain.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I agree and if the forum does return, I think that's where it is important for serious posters to avoid insults. and then the trolls won't be empowered to remain.

Yeah there's no doubt that our behavior opened the way for the trolling in the first place.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? Yes there are "rule breakers" on both sides. My point was solely about trolling, almost all trolling on this site is done by one poster. The name calling, the personal attacks, they need to stop and yes, much of that is done by left leaning posters.

My point was the hypocrisy of continuously calling out Johnny without seeing the darkness within Jon. And it is an absolute black hole of dark energy.

Make all the excuses you want about his justifications because of his sexuality at your own risk. I tend to look at him as the worst possible role-model for that community and an embarrassment to the moderator badge.

Trying not to push the rules here on this thread.

That poster is NOT trolling. He believes what he posts to be true and he'll happily defend his positions.

Some others ARE trolling.

Dead serious..... You may think he's an a-hole..... but if you think Cakes doesn't believe every word he is saying then you need more time in the jungles of SE Asia. Because I assure you...... He 100% does.

We have a ton of crop-dusting posters in that forum.

 

[AzStevenCal]

My point was the hypocrisy of continuously calling out Johnny without seeing the darkness within Jon. And it is an absolute black hole of dark energy.

Make all the excuses you want about his justifications because of his sexuality at your own risk. I tend to look at him as the worst possible role-model for that community and an embarrassment to the moderator badge.



Dead serious..... You may think he's an a-hole..... but if you think Cakes doesn't believe every word he is saying then you need more time in the jungles of SE Asia. Because I assure you...... He 100% does.

We have a ton of crop-dusting posters in that forum.

It's not hypocrisy at all. I agree with much of what Jon says but yeah, he crosses the line on occasion and should be held accountable when he does.