Suns trade for Center Mark Williams

[Proximo]

They were talking about that pick and it already being split as the worst of three teams drafting. Assuring it will be a lower first round pick. Gambo and company didn't think it was that bad on 98.7. Once they started splitting it, I lost interest in it as a fan. We weren't supposed to have picks since we supposedly traded everything away and we had four at the start of the night. You never know what trades are going to happen, and what picks we may get. Like Folster was saying, we could flip Nick Richards now for some second round picks.

Well all I know is I am pissed right now we no longer have 29 - which is about the bottom of the first. So I think I will feel the same in 4 more years.

 

[Yuma]

Center just became a strength possibly. Exciting

I would say not as much of a weakness.

 

[Proximo]

Eh I’ll take the first year with a grain of salt as he missed a large chunk as a rookie playing in G League. And a thumb that needed surgery. That year is not a big deal.

Second year was the concern with the back.

This past year he mainly missed a large chunk of the beginning of the year but finished out the season pretty strong averaging 15/11/3.5 through March and April. So his latest experience has been a strong one, not injury filled.

Yeah - but the question is did he fail the physical because of his back.

 

[Mainstreet]

I love that quote from Frank, "So the Suns are just going to roll out a rotation of centers and shooting guards next season?"

It's too bad there is no room for Frank on the roster. I miss his sense of humor.

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[Proximo]

I would say not as much of a weakness.

No it should actually be a strength. Williams when healthy is slightly above average, and Maluach should be as good or better.

But you don't really win games with center play in today's NBA.

 

[JerkFace]

Late first rounders are easy to come by. Williams is a 23 year old 15 and 10 guy. The only problem someone could have with this trade is Williams health and availability. That is a viable reason to not like the trade, but frankly, that is the only reason to not like the trade, and ultimately the reward outweighs the risk.

 

[Hoop Head]

It's too bad there is no room for Frank on the roster. I miss his sense of humor.

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That's why he doesn't like the pick.

I'd be cool with him as a coach here. His physical limitations kept him from being more than he was in the NBA but he clearly knows the game. Whether he can coach is questionable but I think more 7 footers should be hired to tutor 7 footers. It's crazy to me how most teams hire wing size guys to handle those roles.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

How does it make sense to spend 2 vary scarce first rounders on a backup center when we have no forwards?

You realize Dillon Brooks is our PF right now right?

Dude you’ve been lamenting how late first rounders are worthless when railing against the Durant trade - essentially dismissing all the ones with all the swaps attached. And now you won’t even acknowledge that they’re late. Won’t even use the word. I get you’re still (rightly) bug mad about the first kd trade and now the second kd trade. But you’re not being consistent in your positioning. You don’t get a guy with obvious nba talent like mark williams for a paltry 29th pick and likely late late 20tg pick unless there’s baggage. Particularly not a 23 year old. His baggage is his injury history. So the suns took two very low value assets and rolled the dice for something with potentially larger upside. As you’ve stated as nauseum, the suns don’t have a lot of assets and will likely suck forever. The only way to return to prominence sooner is hoping to hit a homerun. This is an attempt at a homerun swing. I’m okay with that.

Also, maluach is a project at present. A high ceiling project, but a project. Dude still has all his baby fat (look at his face in interviews - I was shocked how much baby fat he still has). If we have high hopes for him we shouldn’t be throwing him to the wolves. And in a best case scenario if we end up with two young legit 7 foot nba centers there are many worse things in the world to work out.

Worst case scenario we blew the 29th and a 20th pick in two years on swinging for a proven nba center that has injury history. No malachi Flynn, tyty Washington, Julian strawther, Isaiah collier, or Baylor sheierman. I don’t think we will survive those losses.

I’m being really cheeky here. Don’t mean to be offensive. But I think some reasonable context is important here.

 

[Hoop Head]

Williams should be tradeable at the deadline for a 1st if he doesn't work out. He was traded for more than that before the physical became an issue. This is not even close to being a Bradley Beal situation.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No - you think less? You might be right, most teams don't keep a center on the floor all game.

Most teams don’t have two legit 7 footers. Worked out well for Dallas when they had both gafford and lively available as rim runners. Wouldn’t mind that.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Even more interesting.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

For me, the question is is Mark Williams better than anybody the Suns could’ve drafted at 29 this year?

I’d say yes. He’s more proven, so from a talent perspective it’s more of a sure thing - more 29th picks suck. But from a health perspective it’s questionable. But most recently he showed health and production to end the season. So I actually think it’s likely a really fair trade. And I like the suns leveraging what minimal value assets they have for upside.

 

[Chaplin]

im gonna give this guy a chance - if he stays healthy he's great - if not he's worse than bradley beal

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That isn't accurate because he spent time his rookie year in the G-League.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah, I think we're all a little antsy because the roster is a mess right now. But I'm not sure any of us have a lot of confidence that the Suns FO isn't a bunch of doofuses who will surely do something deluxe clown show. So it's like being on needles and pins until they put together something that's not a garbage fire, if that ever happens.

What, you aren’t excited to roll out all SGs and Cs and Dillon Brooks?!?

lol. I get it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yes, if he is available - but it's not just this years pick.

Right it’s also a pick that is the worst of ours, Minnesotas and Cleveland’s. So not a high pick likely. In fact, a very low pick as you’ve liked to point out.

 

[Proximo]

Dude you’ve been lamenting how late first rounders are worthless when railing against the Durant trade - essentially dismissing all the ones with all the swaps attached. And now you won’t even acknowledge that they’re late. Won’t even use the word. I get you’re still (rightly) bug mad about the first kd trade and now the second kd trade. But you’re not being consistent in your positioning. You don’t get a guy with obvious nba talent like mark williams for a paltry 29th pick and likely late late 20tg pick unless there’s baggage. Particularly not a 23 year old. His baggage is his injury history. So the suns took two very low value assets and rolled the dice for something with potentially larger upside. As you’ve stated as nauseum, the suns don’t have a lot of assets and will likely suck forever. The only way to return to prominence sooner is hoping to hit a homerun. This is an attempt at a homerun swing. I’m okay with that.

Also, maluach is a project at present. A high ceiling project, but a project. Dude still has all his baby fat (look at his face in interviews - I was shocked how much baby fat he still has). If we have high hopes for him we shouldn’t be throwing him to the wolves. And in a best case scenario if we end up with two young legit 7 foot nba centers there are many worse things in the world to work out.

Worst case scenario we blew the 29th and a 20th pick in two years on swinging for a proven nba center that has injury history. No malachi Flynn, tyty Washington, Julian strawther, Isaiah collier, or Baylor sheierman. I don’t think we will survive those losses.

I’m being really cheeky here. Don’t mean to be offensive. But I think some reasonable context is important here.

Yes, they are usually worthless. But rarely like 5% of the time they aren't. I am desperate at this point. I really don't want the Suns to suck as bad as I expect them 2 for the next 5 years and the only way I see that happening is hitting on these longshot picks.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah - but the question is did he fail the physical because of his back.

That shams quote seems to call that failure into question. Guess we’ll see.

 

[Mainstreet]

We can debate about the draft and trades, but the Suns walked away with a highly rated 18-year-old center and a 23-year-old center on draft night.

Stepping back for a moment, that's a good haul.

 

[Proximo]

Even more interesting.

Well - you should ask yourself why is Charlotte so desperate to trade a 23 year old good center?

I think it's either his personality is a problem, or his health is a problem, otherwise they should be building around him.

 

[JerkFace]

Seeing how the draft played out makes me like the trade even better. Rasheer Fleming is my favorite player available at 29, but I would much rather have Williams.

 

[Dback Jon]

Well all I know is I am pissed right now we no longer have 29 - which is about the bottom of the first. So I think I will feel the same in 4 more years.

Why are you pissed off?

 

[Proximo]

Why are you pissed off?

I wanted a Center and a PF in the first round.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yes, they are usually worthless. But rarely like 5% of the time they aren't. I am desperate at this point. I really don't want the Suns to suck as bad as I expect them 2 for the next 5 years and the only way I see that happening is hitting on these longshot picks.

Right. I get it. I just view Williams as higher % than 5%. He’s already proven he can play. It’s just what his health will allow. And I think that’s higher than 5%.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Oso is on borrowed time, IMO. He needs a jumper or he needs to go. I like the kid but he got minutes out of necessity last year and needs more time in the G-League.

His path forward is at the 4 but he needs to develop a jumper.

 

[Proximo]

Seeing how the draft played out makes me like the trade even better. Rasheer Fleming is my favorite player available at 29, but I would much rather have Williams.

Again - you should think of it as 2 Flemming's vs Williams - because that's what it is - likely 2 picks around 29