Suns trade Kevin Durant to the Rockets

[Yuma]

I scoff at the fact people still think stars don’t have a say on where they go in a players league. That is how it’s always been. There was zero shot at sending KD to a really bad team just because they may have had more assets to give up.

I am guessing those teams didn't ante up more than Houston, or we probably would have shipped him out. What do we care if he signs an extension with the other team as long as we get what we want. I'm guessing those teams wimped out.

 

[95pro]

I scoff at the fact people still think stars don’t have a say on where they go in a players league. That is how it’s always been. There was zero shot at sending KD to a really bad team just because they may have had more assets to give up.

Not that’s how it should be. It shouldn’t.

Yeah his list of teams was known. We were handcuffed.

 

[Mainstreet]

Need to inject some enthusiasm in this thread.

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[Phrazbit]

This to me signals Beal is likely done as a Suns player. If you were going to play the “Beal we are going to sit you at home” game until you wave the NTC” you have another SG on the roster.

They can also move picks now. The Suns are not done IMO.

This isn’t about replacing talent for talent at this point. It’s about giving you flexibility to make enough moves to get under the 2nd Apron at this point. I don’t care what the Suns say in public about “retooling”.

Also, keep in mind the Suns MUST get under the 2nd apron our draft position will soon be in jeopardy.

What draft position? We don’t control a pick for seven years.

 

[Phrazbit]

Need to inject some enthusiasm in this thread.

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He’s terrible.

He and Brooks were probably the two worst rotation players on that team. just getting rid of him and his garbage contract is a win for the Rockets.

 

[Covert Rain]

What draft position? We don’t control a pick for seven years.

Ishbia mentioned it in one of his press conferences. He said if the Suns don't get under the 2nd Apron whatever picks they end up with would slide to the end of that round if they don't get under the 2nd Apron. I wasn't sure if he meant this year or next but that clock was ticking. I didn't look up the specific of how that rule works.

 

[Phrazbit]

Ishbia mentioned it in one of his press conferences. He said if the Suns don't get under the 2nd Apron whatever picks they end up sliding to the end of that round if they don't get under the cap. He said they will have to get under the 2nd apron. I wasn't sure if he meant this year or next but that clock was ticking. I didn't look up the specific of how that rule works.

Again, it doesn’t matter, we don’t have any picks, what little draft assets we do have are leveraged so terribly that they are going to end up at the end of the round no matter what anyway.

Also, Green is going to be untradable, he does not help our flexibility at all.

 

[Covert Rain]

Again, it doesn’t matter, we don’t have any picks, what little draft assets we do have are leveraged so terribly that they are going to end up at the end of the round no matter what anyway.

Also, Green is going to be untradable, he does not help our flexibility at all.

The Suns are not done IMO. It's not one move that gives you flexibility, it's summation of all the moves they will make in the off season. Also, it does matter if they slide to the end of the round. If the plan is to move other picks to move up, that would be completely nullified if they continue stay over the 2nd apron. That just takes one more potential move away.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

are we trying to play defense this year? because brooks martin and dunn sounds like a lot of defense - possibly also the name of a country music group - but definitely a lot of defense

 

[Mainstreet]

He’s terrible.

He and Brooks were probably the two worst rotation players on that team. just getting rid of him and his garbage contract is a win for the Rockets.

I know fans wanted more, I wanted more, but there is a reason the Rockets extended Green. He is only 23. There is still untapped potential.

Regardless, the Suns gained financial flexibility, NBA players and draft picks.

Personally, I don't know if I could have taken any more isolation basketball.

 

[Phrazbit]

Well, this trade is about as bad as I could’ve imagined.

If our primary goal is to get under the second apron we’d have been better off letting him walk for nothing.

If we don’t nail this number 10 pick, we will have traded Durant for less than nothing, because Green and Brooks are both on garbage contracts.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

If we don’t nail this number 10 pick, we will have traded Durant for less than nothing, because Green and Brooks are both on garbage contracts.

and play positions we clearly don't need

 

[swagron]

I would trust Gambo over a national source.

Gambo just totes the company line. If they said they were immediately looking to flip Green, it reeks of desperation and that they just took whatever Houston gave them. They have to say they wanted Green even though it makes no sense.

 

[Yuma]

Need to inject some enthusiasm in this thread.

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That was the idea of Booker and Beal, too!

 

[Covert Rain]

I know fans wanted more, I wanted more, but there is a reason the Rockets extended Green. He is only 23. There is still untapped potential.

Regardless, the Suns gained financial flexibility, NBA players and draft picks.

Personally, I don't know if I could have taken any more isolation basketball.

Agree. I have no clue of Green gets better but being 23 says to me that he can. We see it all the time in younger players under different coaches. The Suns appear to have no plan on moving him. That gives me hope they have plan to dump Beal or at least going to try.

Also....really really agree on the ISO garbage. Unfortunately, if they go back to point Book it's going to be more of not letting Devin do what he does best at the SG spot. My guess is this offense is going to look like Book bringing it up, he dribbles to his spot, teams double him, he passes at at the end of the shot clock which is also something that has plagued this team.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

how many times can ish be fleeced? he's out of everything not named devin booker now - squandered it all

we've seen this before

zero all stars to go with devin booker makes devin booker an all star and the suns a sub .500 club - a losing organization - a return to crapdom - all while making other teams better and he just wants more control

im tired of this ish

 

[Yuma]

From ESPN that gave us a B grade on the trade:

If Phoenix is going to cut payroll to avoid exceeding the second apron and having another first-round pick frozen from trades, however, Brooks is a likely candidate given his value throughout the league.

 

[Folster]

Paul George basically has Beal's contract + an additional year. Would anybody trade Beal for George and let's say the Clippers 2028 1st that the Sixers own? Does Philly even do that to get off of George's contract one year sooner?

 

[Raindog]

I had almost forgotten the Suns tried to trade for Dillon Brooks before but got the wrong Brooks.

That's still hard to believe a mix-up like that could occur in the NBA.

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A James Jones classic. Man, that MFer was stupid as sin.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Paul George basically has Beal's contract + an additional year. Would anybody trade Beal for George and let's say the Clippers 2028 1st that the Sixers own?

oh. hell. no.

 

[Yuma]

Paul George basically has Beal's contract + an additional year. Would anybody trade Beal for George and let's say the Clippers 2028 1st that the Sixers own? Does Philly even do that to get off of George's contract one year sooner?

I don't want to do that. Rumor is Paul George is cooked. May never play up to his level again. I want out of the second apron sooner, not later.

 

[Folster]

I had almost forgotten the Suns tried to trade for Dillon Brooks before but got the wrong Brooks.

That's still hard to believe a mix-up like that could occur in the NBA.

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That mix-up allowed us to land Kelly Oubre who was instrumental in our Valley Boyz culture change.

 

[Mainstreet]

A James Jones classic. Man, that MFer was stupid as sin.

It's still hard to believe that was a real mistake.

 

[Covert Rain]

Gambo just totes the company line. If they said they were immediately looking to flip Green, it reeks of desperation and that they just took whatever Houston gave them. They have to say they wanted Green even though it makes no sense.

Since when? Toting the company line is never saying anything negative about the team. Have you listed to him the past couple seasons? He at times has blasted the organization and the leadership of the organization. He has blasted some of the players play etc. Does he pull punches sometimes to keep his source intact? Likely but it's a balancing act. I wouldn't want him to burn that bridge or we would get nothing.

 

[Yuma]

Really wondering what you guys think on this?

It will be easier to flip either guy individually. As muchg as we hate Brooks, he does supposedly fit that new mold of scrappy Suns player the team is supposedly wanting to build with.

I call BS on keeping Green. You have three guys arguably with similar skill sets on the team making up most of the salary in Booker, Beal, and Green. I think you only keep Green if you are trading Booker. We got five second round picks back in this trade, possibly you have the ammo now to get off Beal?

This draft is supposed to be weak at Center. Do you get REALLY desperate and flip Beal for one of our first round picks?