No option to trade down, so would you go Will Anderson or Jalen Carter?

[Stout]

This team needs an impact player. Carter doesn’t set off fireworks even if he plays well. Anderson on the other hand will wow the fans if he comes in and plays like Hutchinson.
It appears we really can’t go wrong with either player.
It comes down to how you want to rebuild. Is there another pass rusher in the 2nd round if we were to draft Carter? If it were me I’d take the pass rusher and go from there.

I don't see how Carter is a can't go wrong player when he put up almost no college production. What am I missing?

 

[Krangodnzr]

With Carter, the problem is production. If he's so good why was his production so very, very low? It isn't like great college DTs don't put up numbers. Folks are likening him to Aaron Donald, but Donald put up the numbers and Carter very much didn't. That makes me want to pass on him, unless this problem can be adequately explained. That's a bust predictor right there.

He's a consolation prize to me.

I do see him beat good college players fairly easily and he will be a target for double teams regularly.

But you don't take that for a gamewrecker like Anderson. Look at his game against Arkansas and how many times he was meeting the RB and QB in the backfield on RPOs. He's crazy good.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don't see how Carter is a can't go wrong player when he put up almost no college production. What am I missing?

He was doubled a ton. And he beat alot of doubles. He also forced QBs to move their spot A LOT. That is a meaningful thing.

 

[Stout]

He was doubled a ton. And he beat alot of doubles. He also forced QBs to move their spot A LOT. That is a meaningful thing.

Ditto for Donald, and he put up college numbers. Sounds more like a guy that can almost beat doubles to make a play, but not quite close the deal.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Ditto for Donald, and he put up college numbers. Sounds more like a guy that can almost beat doubles to make a play, but not quite close the deal.

That's what I see.

 

[PACardsFan]

With Carter, the problem is production. If he's so good why was his production so very, very low? It isn't like great college DTs don't put up numbers. Folks are likening him to Aaron Donald, but Donald put up the numbers and Carter very much didn't. That makes me want to pass on him, unless this problem can be adequately explained. That's a bust predictor right there.

It does baffle me as to why so many very knowledgeable talent evaluators gush about Carter. I read that he has an insanely quick first step for a relatively big man. And then I read that his quick step gets him into trouble because he falls a lot? He’s strong yes, but there’s no way I see him as ever being as strong as Aaron Donald. I’ve also read that he has progressed a lot, and that the sky is the limit as he continues to get stronger at the next level. I can’t lie. I’d be happy if he’s the guy we landed, but I just don’t see him a a guaranteed stud that you draft at 3.

 

[Krangodnzr]

It does baffle me as to why so many very knowledgeable talent evaluators gush about Carter. I read that he has an insanely quick first step for a relatively big man. And then I read that his quick step gets him into trouble because he falls a lot? He’s strong yes, but there’s no way I see him as ever being as strong as Aaron Donald. I’ve also read that he has progressed a lot, and that the sky is the limit as he continues to get stronger at the next level. I can’t lie. I’d be happy if he’s the guy we landed, but I just don’t see him a a guaranteed stud that you draft at 3.

I'd counter that if you look at his matchups against the best OL in this class, you'll see Carter whup them often. I think Carter CAN develop into an All Pro DT. The NFL will not double him as often and he won't see as many spread offenses that are designed to get the ball out quick. He's a phenomenally talented player, but I think Anderson is even better.

I'd say it's like a 97 overall player vs a 96 overall player in my book. I'll be excited about either player, but I'm more bullish on Anderson because of his production.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

plus there are other DTs in this draft that I like that could be had in the R2-R4 range. None might be as good at everything, but combine the qualities of 2 of them, moving them about the line, and they would solve both our run and pass deficiencies.

 

[Zalixar]

Draft Anderson at 3 or trade out if Bears take him.

(Other than the scenario of dropping to 4 and nabbing either one).

Here's hoping Bears get Carter, but they will probably trade down, twice if they are lucky.
(1->2, 2->?). Could totally turn that franchise around.

 

[Garthshort]

Does the choice, DT/Edge matter if we're a 4-3 or a 3-4?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Draft Anderson at 3 or trade out if Bears take him.

(Other than the scenario of dropping to 4 and nabbing either one).

Here's hoping Bears get Carter, but they will probably trade down, twice if they are lucky.
(1->2, 2->?). Could totally turn that franchise around.

I'm an Anderson guy, but it would also be crazy to pass on Carter as well. A player who teams have to completely account for on every play will free up other players around him.

 

[Stout]

I'd counter that if you look at his matchups against the best OL in this class, you'll see Carter whup them often. I think Carter CAN develop into an All Pro DT. The NFL will not double him as often and he won't see as many spread offenses that are designed to get the ball out quick. He's a phenomenally talented player, but I think Anderson is even better.

I'd say it's like a 97 overall player vs a 96 overall player in my book. I'll be excited about either player, but I'm more bullish on Anderson because of his production.

Then why doesn't he put up numbers? Everyone's saying things like this, but he would de facto be putting up numbers if this were the case. Is it a case of pure projection based on size/speed?

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

A short time ago I decided to do a serious straight forward draft to see what the most advantageous thing the Cardinals could possibly do to improve the most. Guess what happened.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I prefer Anderson but am not willing to trade down anymore if it means we lose both.

My perfect world is a team trades up to #1 and takes a qb. the Texans take the next QB. And then we swap picks with the colts for the third QB still giving us the pick of the two at 4. If Stroud and Young go quick, people may get super stupid for Levis. It could happen.

It could make the Colts do something stupid in order to secure the third QB. I repeat COULD.

Regardless, I'm Anderson then Carter now.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Then why doesn't he put up numbers? Everyone's saying things like this, but he would de facto be putting up numbers if this were the case. Is it a case of pure projection based on size/speed?

I guess I would tell you to just watch his tape. He is legit beating guys that are going to be 1st/2nd round picks pretty badly. He has a ton of almost finishes. I'd wager his hurries stats (which I haven't seen the numbers) are really high. He had good size, great strength, and very rare ability to win once his first move doesn't work.

I'm not down on him at all, so that should tell you how good I think Anderson is. I put a premium on guys who finish, and I put a premium on guys that are big pluses in the run game. Both Anderson and Carter will be huge against the run, as will Tyree Wilson.

Wilson would be my trade down guy or maybe Clancy from Pittsburgh who is rising. Wilson is super long, super strong and has fantastic instincts, but doesn't have a fully developed arsenal of pass rush moves yet. Clancy looks A LOT like Aaron Donald, but I bet you're probably already familiar with him.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I prefer Anderson but am not willing to trade down anymore if it means we lose both.

My perfect world is a team trades up to #1 and takes a qb. the Texans take the next QB. And then we swap picks with the colts for the third QB still giving us the pick of the two at 4. If Stroud and Young go quick, people may get super stupid for Levis. It could happen.

It could make the Colts do something stupid in order to secure the third QB. I repeat COULD.

Regardless, I'm Anderson then Carter now.

I think that's the big hope is that the Colts freak out and trade up with the Cardinals. Grabbing their 2nd rounder would be huge. I'd consider using it on an explosive offensive player to help get more layups for Murray.

 

[DVontel]

Clancy looks A LOT like Aaron Donald

He does not look like one of the greatest defensive players of all time lol please relax

 

[BullheadCardFan]

plus there are other DTs in this draft that I like that could be had in the R2-R4 range. None might be as good at everything, but combine the qualities of 2 of them, moving them about the line, and they would solve both our run and pass deficiencies.

Do tell

 

[Krangodnzr]

He does not look like one of the greatest defensive players of all time lol please relax

Aaron Donald didn't look like the greatest defensive player of all time in college either. That's who I'm comparing him to in college.

 

[SoonerLou]

Man...

I'll eat some heavy crow. I knew those guys would be good. However, was happy with the trade down cause I didn't see Will or Jalen > Paris + 1st rounder, etc

However, they were the most dominant players on defense I saw this weekend.

 

[DVontel]

Man...

I'll eat some heavy crow. I knew those guys would be good. However, was happy with the trade down cause I didn't see Will or Jalen > Paris + 1st rounder, etc

However, they were the most dominant players on defense I saw this weekend.

Lmao told you man we’re just not meant to be good

 

[BurqueCardFan]

I honestly believe if the consensus of this board was making picks for this team, we would be better off than the last few GM’s. We would probably have guys like Bosa, CeeDee, Linderbaum/Jermaine Johnson, Anderson/Carter, etc…

 

[Proteus]

I honestly believe if the consensus of this board was making picks for this team, we would be better off than the last few GM’s. We would probably have guys like Bosa, CeeDee, Linderbaum/Jermaine Johnson, Anderson/Carter, etc…

Maybe the Cards should hire Board Consensus to be in charge of making draft picks.

 

[Stout]

I'll eat crow on Carter. I'm just never in on those guys who can't do it much in college and are expected to be stars in the NFL. Obviously they sometimes pan out!

 

[GatorAZ]

I’m not ready to accept defeat yet. I need to see year two of Paris at LT and D-Rob for a full season. If both are mid to above average then the trade failed and Monty effed up.