Steve Keim taking an indefinite, health-related leave of absence

[ASUCHRIS]

I’m all for promoting from within when culture is healthy and competent.

When it’s not, that’s when you stop promoting internally and hire outside.

Continuity is great when you're trying to preserve something!

 

[Cheesebeef]

You don’t have to believe him. In our years of ASFN together I’ve never seen Mao lie about anything, have you? Maybe there’s a secret vendetta, but absent that who knows?

Beyond the fact that it’s pretty obvious Keim is in rehab again and Mao has been saying all along that he never really got sober and his behavior was getting worse every year.

I mean… lecturing Mao after we pretty much KNOW he was actually right about Keim’s continued self destructive behavior is really crazy at this point.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Without proof this sounds like slander to me. You have yet to provide any proof that you have anything more than opinion on Keim yet you spill your BS like it is fact.

@MaoTosiFanClub has been around forever and has earned the trust of the longtimers on the board. No reason to doubt him, IMHO.

 

[kerouac9]

Licht has a ring because Tom Brady decided he wanted to play in Tampa

To be fair, Brady came to Tampa because Licht and Bruce Arians had built an infrastructure where Brady could succeed and the cap flexibility to bring in Brady's buddies.

 

[BritCard]

Licht was here for a couple cups of coffee after having spent most of his time in other organizations. If anything, he's a great example of why we should hire from outside.

Jason Licht has a losing record. He's the Keim of Tampa.

The only difference between Keim and Licht is Licht got Brady and Brady didn't get hurt in the playoffs.

There is a weird correlation between GM's sucking with bad HC's and mediocre QB's and not sucking when they have good HC's and good QB's.

 

[TheCardFan]

Every Bucs draft pick from the Jason Licht era​

Every Bucs draft pick from the Jason Licht era

See every NFL draft pick made by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers under the direction of current general manager Jason Licht

bucswire.usatoday.com

 

[Stout]

Jason Licht has a losing record. He's the Keim of Tampa.

The only difference between Keim and Licht is Licht got Brady and Brady didn't get hurt in the playoffs.

There is a weird correlation between GM's sucking with bad HC's and mediocre QB's and not sucking when they have good HC's and good QB's.

There's also a weird correlation between GMs having sucky personnel because they scout/draft/sign sucky personnel.

 

[BritCard]

you have insider knowledge of all of their interests and assets?

I know what everyone else knows. That the Bidwill's are not generationally wealthy. They have no major businesses outside the Cards. They are not shipping magnates or grocery chain owners that bought into the Cards.

Their shady grandfather bought the Cards with a handshake for $5000 cash and if not for that the Bidwills would be living down the road from you and working a normal mundane job.

Bill Jr as only ever worked for the the Cardinals. Patrick Bidwill is a former used car dealership owner that seems to do nothing in Miami. Tim Bidwill is a planning lawyer I believe who has also worked for the Cards and Nicole does charity and PR work for the Cards.

The Cardinals give a bunch of very ordinary people access to Senators, Governers, Pop Stars and the great and wealthy of Arizona. Without it they are nobodies.

 

[BritCard]

@MaoTosiFanClub has been around forever and has earned the trust of the longtimers on the board. No reason to doubt him, IMHO.

I'm really not sure how being here for a long time correlates with believing he knows Steve keim is a drug user.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

I know what everyone else knows. That the Bidwill's are not generationally wealthy. They have no major businesses outside the Cards. They are not shipping magnates or grocery chain owners that bought into the Cards.

Their shady grandfather bought the Cards with a handshake for $5000 cash and if not for that the Bidwills would be living down the road from you and working a normal mundane job.

Bill Jr as only ever worked for the the Cardinals. Patrick Bidwill is a former used car dealership owner that seems to do nothing in Miami. Tim Bidwill is a planning lawyer I believe who has also worked for the Cards and Nicole does charity and PR work for the Cards.

The Cardinals give a bunch of very ordinary people access to Senators, Governers, Pop Stars and the great and wealthy of Arizona. Without it they are nobodies.

Racetracks

 

[Proximo]

With all due respect to ADub and Harris, they are part of the problem. Go outside the organization!

We really don't know that.

For all we know they have had completely opposite opinions on draft picks and have been overruled by Keim.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

We really don't know that.

For all we know they have had completely opposite opinions on draft picks and have been overruled by Keim.

I heard that garbage before, Bidwill spun hiring Keim as that he was the voice of reason in the war room during the Graves years.

Blow it up

 

[DVontel]

We can only hope Harris/ADub have a modernized view of competently constructing a football team. Keim constructed this team like he was playing Madden in 2003.

Still, would much rather go outside the organization like everybody else.

 

[BritCard]

Racetracks

Shady racetracks.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Shady racetracks.

Redundant.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

Shady racetracks.

lol , as opposed to....?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I was trying to do a search to see if Adrian Wilson or Quentin Harris have any connection to James Jones (Suns)...didn't find anything, but I did see articles from January of this year, where both were set to be interviewed by the Giants for their open GM position. It could be viewed as minority interviews, but to be compliant the Giants only needed one, not two.

 

[imaCafan]

I thought hiring Lynch as GM was a strange hire for SF. Seems he turned out ok...

 

[kerouac9]

I thought hiring Lynch as GM was a strange hire for SF. Seems he turned out ok...

I've always suspected that he's not the brains of that operation. I believe that Paraag Marathe is the guy in charge there.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Shady racetracks.

Castigating Charles bidwill for where he got his wealth to buy the cardinals is orettt dumb when you consider that one of the most respected nfl families, the maras, we’re fight promoters and bookies. In fact many of the early owners of nfl teams were questionable characters. It’s why they were willing to try their hand at creating what was at the time an unwanted sports league into an actual success.

That said, reading that Charles bidwill used to skip traveling with the cardinals for their games so he could stay in Chicago to watch the bears tells me all I ever need to know about the building blocks of our ownership.

 

[oaken1]

We really don't know that.

For all we know they have had completely opposite opinions on draft picks and have been overruled by Keim.

but somehow, while disagreeing with their boss at every turn, they managed to keep getting promoted and moving up into more power within the organization.

must be nice. every boss I disagreed with on a regular basis fired my ass.

 

[SteveKeimFan]

The days the Bidwills sell the Cardinals should be called Independence Day #2

 

[Cheesebeef]

but somehow, while disagreeing with their boss at every turn, they managed to keep getting promoted and moving up into more power within the organization.

must be nice. every boss I disagreed with on a regular basis fired my ass.

It defies logic to believe two guys who have learned at the feet of a terrible GM are part of the solution moving forward and not part of the problem that needs to be replaced.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

It defies logic to believe two guys who have learned at the feet of a terrible GM are part of the solution moving forward and not part of the problem that needs to be replaced.

Have you ever been in the position where you're being groomed to take over for your supervisor/manager or similar and when you finally get the position you implement a plan that's not exactly in line with the previous? I have on more than one occasion. I've also had those who worked under me take over, when I've left a position or been promoted, and totally changed things up. It may happen more than we think.

If you have any ambition and want to make a name for yourself, you don't just keep doing what your predecessor did 100%, no matter how successful they seemed to be.

 

[PACardsFan]

It defies logic to believe two guys who have learned at the feet of a terrible GM are part of the solution moving forward and not part of the problem that needs to be replaced.

They may very well take an entirely different approach than our last 2 GM's, but I'm in agreement with you. Can Bidwill really take that risk? Michael can preach to us until he's blue in the face about creating a Super Bowl caliber franchise, but I'm a firm believer in the saying: If you always do what you've always done, you will always get what you've always got. Michael needs to be honest with himself. His family has never had a clue on how to build a consistent winner. It's time to hire SOMEONE who has & get the hell out of the way.