Trevor Ariza to Washington for Kelly Oubre and Austin Rivers.

[taz02]

There are 12 teams with over 20 million in practical cap space. 8 with over 40 million.

He is getting 12-14 million

Wow! that's not good. Suns will be lucky to sign anyone of significance. They need to make a trade.

If Oubre gets 12-14 Holmes will be off the charts.....

 

[devilalum]

There are 12 teams with over 20 million in practical cap space. 8 with over 40 million.

He is getting 12-14 million

And they all think they're gonna sign one of the 5 K's. Once all those guys resign with their clubs teams will be scurrying to sign second tier guys like Oubre.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Wow! that's not good. Suns will be lucky to sign anyone of significance. They need to make a trade.

If Oubre gets 12-14 Holmes will be off the charts.....

So, roughly 500 million in free agency money in the 20-40 million per team category. There are a LOT of free agents though. The first 10 are going to average about $35 million a year. The next ten will average about $20 million per year. Everyone else will likely be in the 10-20 million category. But there is even more money available because of Bird Rights. But I cannot see teams wasting time on restricted free agents when there are so many unrestricted free agents available. RFA's will be part of the second round of signings I think, unless their own teams sign them right away.

1. Kevin Durant--
2. Kawhi Leonard. ...
3. Kyrie Irving. ...
4. Jimmy Butler. ...
5. Klay Thompson. ...
6. Kristaps Porzingis
7. Kemba Walker
8. Towns
9. Cousins
10. Nikola Vucevic
11. THarris
12. Al Horford
13. Nikola Mirotic
14. Middleton
15. Bledsoe
16. Harrions Barnes
17. Brogdon
18. Deandre Jordan
19. Trevor Ariza
20. Markieff Morris
21. Ricky Rubio
22. Mark Gasol
23. Terry Rozier
24. Terrence Ross
25. Enes Kanter
26. Tyreke Evans
27. J.J. Redick
28. Kelly Oubre
29. Danny Green
30. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
31. Frank Kaminsky
32. Larry Nance, Jr.
33. Trey Lyles
34. Kevon Looney
35. Patrick Beverley
36. Milos Teodosic
37. Justise Winslow
38. Willie Cauley-Stein
39. Delon Wright
40. Thaddeus Young
41. Garrett Temple
42. JaMychal Green
43. Taj Gibson
44. Al-Farouq Aminu
45. Rudy Gay
46. Alec Burks
47. Isaiah Thomas

Opt outs

• Hassan Whiteside ($27 million)
• Jeff Teague ($19 million)
• The Eternal Free Agent Dwight Howard ($5.6 million)
• Julius Randle ($9 million)
• C.J. Miles ($8.7 million)
• Jonas Valanciunas ($17.6 million)

Team Options that might not get picked up

• Millsap
• JParker
• JJackson
• KDunn
• JOkafor

There are also a lot of less notable free agents like Marquise Chriss and Dragan Bender.

 

[elindholm]

So, roughly 500 million in free agency money in the 20-40 million per team category. There are a LOT of free agents though. The first 10 are going to average about $35 million a year. The next ten will average about $20 million per year. Kevin Durant--

1. Kawhi Leonard. ...
2. Kyrie Irving. ...
3. Jimmy Butler. ...
4. Klay Thompson. ...
5. Kristaps Porzingis
6. Kemba Walker
7. Towns
8. Cousins
9. Nikola Vucevic
10. THarris
11. Al Horford
12. Nikola Mirotic
13. Middleton
14. Bledsoe
15. Harrions Barnes
16. Brogdon
17. Deandre Jordan
18. Trevor Ariza
19. Markieff Morris
20. Ricky Rubio

I don't know about that. I'd be very surprised if anyone pays Ariza or Morris $20 million per year. That amount seems high for Barnes and Rubio also, although somewhat more likely.

As for the rest of the list, some of them will be pursued in the early going, but a lot of them will be lucky to get anything over a few million per year.

It's true that there are going to be a lot of free agents, but there won't be that many that people want. That's what's going to drive up the price for the top couple of tiers. Also, some of them are virtually certain to re-up with their current teams (Irving, Porzingis, Towns), so they aren't really on the market.

I think a safe guess is that Oubre will get $80M/4y from someone.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I don't know about that. I'd be very surprised if anyone pays Ariza or Morris $20 million per year. That amount seems high for Barnes and Rubio also, although somewhat more likely.

As for the rest of the list, some of them will be pursued in the early going, but a lot of them will be lucky to get anything over a few million per year.

It's true that there are going to be a lot of free agents, but there won't be that many that people want. That's what's going to drive up the price for the top couple of tiers. Also, some of them are virtually certain to re-up with their current teams (Irving, Porzingis, Towns), so they aren't really on the market.

I think a safe guess is that Oubre will get $80M/4y from someone.

I thought that about before I wrote it. That is why I said as a group I thought they would average about $20 million. Some will get more, some less. I can see Ariza and Morris getting $15 or more, depending on how they play this year.

I just am not sure how restricted free agency will impact everything.

As far as the players at the end go, it depends. Free agency is a weird thing. If the teams spend up their money before all the free agents are signed, you can get some bargains toward the end. If all the free agents are signed before teams spend all their money, teams end up overspending for marginal free agents.

 

[Mainstreet]

As far as the players at the end go, it depends. Free agency is a weird thing. If the teams spend up their money before all the free agents are signed, you can get some bargains toward the end. If all the free agents are signed before teams spend all their money, teams end up overspending for marginal free agents.

This is what the Suns missed out on committing to Ariza early for $15 million. There were a number of players out there on the cheap that could have improved the Suns.

 

[taz02]

I have a feeling Rubio is our guy at 20+m

 

[1Sun]

I have a feeling Rubio is our guy at 20+m

That would be a mistake of epic proportions, in my opinion. I would rather pay Wall $40+m than Rubio $20+m.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I thought that about before I wrote it. That is why I said as a group I thought they would average about $20 million. Some will get more, some less. I can see Ariza and Morris getting $15 or more, depending on how they play this year.

I just am not sure how restricted free agency will impact everything.

As far as the players at the end go, it depends. Free agency is a weird thing. If the teams spend up their money before all the free agents are signed, you can get some bargains toward the end. If all the free agents are signed before teams spend all their money, teams end up overspending for marginal free agents.

Ariza ain’t seeing $15M again. It took a desperate suns team offering a one-year contract for him to get that this year. Why would a year older player who looked like trash this far get that again from anyone else when they weren’t willing to offer him that when he was more desirable. He didn’t choose the suns over other clubs offering him $15M. He chose them because they offered him $15 when no one else would.

 

[Folster]

It appears Wall needs foot surgery and will be out for the season. That should end any speculation of us acquiring him

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[JCSunsfan]

Ariza ain’t seeing $15M again. It took a desperate suns team offering a one-year contract for him to get that this year. Why would a year older player who looked like trash this far get that again from anyone else when they weren’t willing to offer him that when he was more desirable. He didn’t choose the suns over other clubs offering him $15M. He chose them because they offered him $15 when no one else would.

Well. Certainly if he doesn't start to play better he won't. Ariza is not going to get a long term deal anywhere. He is going to get a series of one year deals from here on out I think.

 

[Phrazbit]

There are 12 teams with over 20 million in practical cap space. 8 with over 40 million.

He is getting 12-14 million

I just don't see it. Reminds me of when people were concerned Len was going to get 15-20 mil per year. Grandted, Oubre is more useful than Len, but I don't see anyone giving that kind of money to a depth player on a 20-30 win team.

If he can up his shooting numbers the rest of the way to something like 40-45% from the field and 36-40% from 3, then I could see him getting something like... 2 years 25-30 mil, okay.

But if the Oubre we're watching is the Oubre that hits free agency, I will put my 100%, unequivocal, stamp of absolute certainty that he will not even remotely sniff the 4 years, 80 million that is being discussed by a few here.

If he improves his shooting... 2 years 20-30 million, if he's the same guy we're watching now... 2 years 12-18 million. If he gets worse... 1 year... 4 million. Unless he absolutely explodes, I don't see anyone giving him an annual 8 figure salary for more than a couple seasons though, that's for damn sure.

 

[Phrazbit]

I have a feeling Rubio is our guy at 20+m

I think Rubio would help us tremendously but... wow, I hope not. I don't think anyone, besides maybe Bob Sarver, will be that desperate for his services.

 

[1Sun]

I think Rubio would help us tremendously but... wow, I hope not. I don't think anyone, besides maybe Bob Sarver, will be that desperate for his services.

Igor Kokoskov. Yet another reason to show him the door.

 

[devilalum]

It appears Wall needs foot surgery and will be out for the season. That should end any speculation of us acquiring him

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Maybe they’re ready to make a Beal Deal. I’d give up the unprotected pick and a wing and a couple of drumsticks for Beal.


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[1Sun]

Maybe they’re ready to make a Beal Deal. I’d give up the unprotected pick and a wing and a couple of drumsticks for Beal.


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Maybe they’re ready to make a Beal Deal. I’d give up the unprotected pick and a wing and a couple of drumsticks for Beal.


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Are you proposing to trade Devin Booker, then?

 

[devilalum]

Are you proposing to trade Devin Booker, then?

That’s probably fair but doesn’t seem to move the team forward that much.

I have no idea what it would take but the Bullets might be ready to hit the reset button and save some money.


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[Mainstreet]

Tomas Satoransky is an expiring contract for around $3 million if the Suns wanted to kick the tires. He is a shooting guard with passing skills.

 

[1Sun]

Tomas Satoransky is an expiring contract for around $3 million if the Suns wanted to kick the tires. He is a shooting guard with passing skills.

We need a point guard, not more shooting guards.

 

[devilalum]

We need a point guard, not more shooting guards.

The Suns only have one decent SG.
Another good ball handling SG would help but yeah a real PG would be nice.


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[1Sun]

The Suns only have one decent SG.
Another good ball handling SG would help but yeah a real PG would be nice.


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Technically, Crawford is a SG. And from what we're seeing, Melton and Okobo are more SG than PG. In any event, my point is that if we are going to trade for anyone, priority #1 needs to be PG. I don't want to create any more excuse to play Booker out of position at PG.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The Suns only have one decent SG.
Another good ball handling SG would help but yeah a real PG would be nice.


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Both Beal and Booker can play on and off the ball. Booker would still remain the primary ball handler, but Beal is just about as good of a ball handler and distributor as Booker and thus could give him some relief in that department. It also allows us to continue to play lineups that can switch everything. With Booker's emergence as a legit play making guard it's players like Beal that I would target first to start next to Booker.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Both Beal and Booker can play on and off the ball. Booker would still remain the primary ball handler, but Beal is just about as good of a ball handler and distributor as Booker and thus could give him some relief in that department. It also allows us to continue to play lineups that can switch everything. With Booker's emergence as a legit play making guard it's players like Beal that I would target first to start next to Booker.

Yeah, I've been on the trade for Beal bandwagon for awhile now. I'd even include our 2019 pick as long as it includes Zion protection. I'm not sure if we have enough to get it done but I'd give up our first, the Milwaukee pick, an unprotected pick in 21 plus whatever combo of Jackson, Bender, Melton, Okobo, Daniels, Anderson and King they want. But I suspect there's not 2 team deal possible without including Warren or Bridges and I don't know how I feel about that.

 

[1Sun]

Both Beal and Booker can play on and off the ball. Booker would still remain the primary ball handler, but Beal is just about as good of a ball handler and distributor as Booker and thus could give him some relief in that department. It also allows us to continue to play lineups that can switch everything. With Booker's emergence as a legit play making guard it's players like Beal that I would target first to start next to Booker.

But Booker has proved that he is NOT a legitimate playmaking guard and that relying on him in that role is bad both for him and for the team.

Again, Booker is Klay Thompson, NOT Steph Curry or James Harden.

Please stop trying to force square pegs into round holes. We already have to suffer through Igor doing that by trying to turn our NBA team into a Eurobasket team.