OT: Patriots trade Brandin Cooks to Rams for 1st Round Pick

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Their OL was injury free for one year. What are the chances they will be all healthy again? LT Whitworth's play slipped towards later half of the season. Poor OLBs and ILBs. Drama Kings at CBs, trying to fit square peg in round hole with Suh, Defenses adjusting in 2018 to not show alignments before McVay calls the play, a tough first placed schedule etc. They will all meet the same fate as every dream team.
 

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Tom Brady reportedly 'not sad' about Patriots decision to trade Brandin Cooks to Rams

The Patriots quarterback is fine with the decision to move on from the wide receiver.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...iots-decision-to-trade-brandin-cooks-to-rams/

"As Ben Volin of the Boston Globe noted on Wednesday's Pick Six Podcast (listen below, subscribe to our daily, 30-minute show on iTunes here) Cooks' production does not necessarily match up with his statistics. He was wildly unproductive on third down last year (7-for-26), which might be part of the reason why Brady isn't devastated."
 

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Rams better win there super bowl in the next two yrs.

I can imagine with all the top fa they signed and gurly and Goff wil want new contracts again right? They won't be able to keep there new signings long I am pretty sure.
 

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Rams better win there super bowl in the next two yrs.

I can imagine with all the top fa they signed and gurly and Goff wil want new contracts again right? They won't be able to keep there new signings long I am pretty sure.

Donald and Cooks are due for new big deals... Gurley willl be next year...
 

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Cooks is definitely not a #1. He was the 4th option in NE, but injuries to Edelman and Hogan pushed him up the totem pole. You don't pay #1 receiver money for a slightly better version of Desean Jackson. That said...he'll probably torch the Cards when we play them...
$8m isn't #1 WR money and Cooks is being signed as a complimentary piece to the already #1 offense, not as a solution to a lacking corps.

McVay wanted him last year but couldn't work it out with New Orleans. Most consider a #23 overall to be too high of a price to pay but for a 24 year old that is an established player with big play potential I think it's reasonable. His contract will be an issue sooner than with a draft pick but there won't be a learning curve like with most WR's.
 

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Rams better win there super bowl in the next two yrs.

I can imagine with all the top fa they signed and gurly and Goff wil want new contracts again right? They won't be able to keep there new signings long I am pretty sure.

With the new football palace under construction they are in the business of selling Personal Seat Licenses as fast and as much as they can. Beating the hell out of Chargers in the race for L A fans.
 
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I think this is a good point for reporters to get some info on
You get a nice young WR who is still under his rookie contract for a back-end first round pick. He is a good player, but he is a little limited in what he has shown he can do.
 

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Yeah, just like 2016 for us...

Man... I really thought we were just going to kick people's asses in 2016.

Never been more letdown by any sports season in my life.

For that team to not even make the playoffs was pathetic.
 

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They have mortgaged their future officially to win a super bowl this year. It would be awesome if it implodes and they go back to their old ram self and underachieving.:cool:
What did they mortgage really? A first round pick for Cooks? A fifth round pick for Talib? A 4th this year and a 2nd in 2019? If they believe in Goff, their future is set. Now they just need to surround him with weapons and a defense. That is what they are doing. You can't run an organization scared.
 

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I think you guys are reading too much into it the patriots don’t want to give him the contract he’s going to command.... I’m hoping this turns out just like Sammy Watkins they give up a first and then lose him after the one-year rental
If this happens, then they should get a nice comp pick in return if Watkins contract is any indication.
 

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Maybe but a 3rd is no 1st or 2nd
They have a QB...they have a pass rusher in Donald...other than offensive line, the rest is window dressing in their opinion.
Tom Brady reportedly 'not sad' about Patriots decision to trade Brandin Cooks to Rams

The Patriots quarterback is fine with the decision to move on from the wide receiver.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...iots-decision-to-trade-brandin-cooks-to-rams/

"As Ben Volin of the Boston Globe noted on Wednesday's Pick Six Podcast (listen below, subscribe to our daily, 30-minute show on iTunes here) Cooks' production does not necessarily match up with his statistics. He was wildly unproductive on third down last year (7-for-26), which might be part of the reason why Brady isn't devastated."
The Pats thought Cooks was a more nuanced player, but facts are that Brady likes receivers like Welker, Amendola, and Edleman who don't expose his reduced ability to thrown the ball down the field, outside of the numbers. That is where Cooks wins and so of course it is not a great fit. Not to mention the weather in the northeast in December does not play to Cooks strengths either.
 

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What did they mortgage really? A first round pick for Cooks? A fifth round pick for Talib? A 4th this year and a 2nd in 2019? If they believe in Goff, their future is set. Now they just need to surround him with weapons and a defense. That is what they are doing. You can't run an organization scared.
They don't have very many picks, and soon it's going to come time for all of these guys to get paid. Can't pay 'em all. So they're going to lose a ton of talent - and then not have picks to replace them.

Which means Goff is no longer throwing to Brandin Cooks, he's throwing to 30-something Jeremy Maclin. He's no longer being blocked for by Andrew Whitworth, it's a 5th round pick out of Iowa that has bounced around the league.

Young, cheap talent is what keeps teams good, not dream teams cobbled together of players that are all expecting a paycheck in short order. Yes, it's a moot point if they win a Super Bowl... but if they don't? They're going to struggle for a while. Goff will be paid $30+ million a year, Gurley will need a contract, Donald will too.
 

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They don't have very many picks, and soon it's going to come time for all of these guys to get paid. Can't pay 'em all. So they're going to lose a ton of talent - and then not have picks to replace them.

Which means Goff is no longer throwing to Brandin Cooks, he's throwing to 30-something Jeremy Maclin. He's no longer being blocked for by Andrew Whitworth, it's a 5th round pick out of Iowa that has bounced around the league.

Young, cheap talent is what keeps teams good, not dream teams cobbled together of players that are all expecting a paycheck in short order. Yes, it's a moot point if they win a Super Bowl... but if they don't? They're going to struggle for a while. Goff will be paid $30+ million a year, Gurley will need a contract, Donald will too.
Exactly... In 1 year Donald, Joyner, and cooks will be due. In 2 years, Peters and Gurley are due. Then in 3 years, Goff will be due.
 

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They don't have very many picks, and soon it's going to come time for all of these guys to get paid. Can't pay 'em all. So they're going to lose a ton of talent - and then not have picks to replace them.

Which means Goff is no longer throwing to Brandin Cooks, he's throwing to 30-something Jeremy Maclin. He's no longer being blocked for by Andrew Whitworth, it's a 5th round pick out of Iowa that has bounced around the league.

Young, cheap talent is what keeps teams good, not dream teams cobbled together of players that are all expecting a paycheck in short order. Yes, it's a moot point if they win a Super Bowl... but if they don't? They're going to struggle for a while. Goff will be paid $30+ million a year, Gurley will need a contract, Donald will too.
You don't have to make the Goff decision until 2020. There are going to add two 3rd round picks next with compensatory picks. Yes, they will need to revisit the offensive line, but they have time and resources to do so. Only position that really matter and get paid are QB, OL, pass rushers, and CB. Jared Goff, Aaron Donald, and Marcus Peters (if he turns out to be the guy) are already on the roster.

When Donald and Gurley are up they are 99mil under the cap. When Goff is up, they are 168mil under. They are fine.
 

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Exactly... In 1 year Donald, Joyner, and cooks will be due. In 2 years, Peters and Gurley are due. Then in 3 years, Goff will be due.
See what happens when teams draft well and make FA acquisitions.
 

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Exactly... In 1 year Donald, Joyner, and cooks will be due. In 2 years, Peters and Gurley are due. Then in 3 years, Goff will be due.
It's a valid concern but the Rams are already scheduled to be $100M under the cap next year and the cap keeps going up each year.
 

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See what happens when teams draft well and make FA acquisitions.

See what happens when you’ve been as futile as LA has been in recent history. Since 2008 they’ve picked outside of the top 10 3 times and have had the first or second overall pick 5 times. In fact, going into this past season they’ve had a worse record than the browns since 2008.
 

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True, but Donald and cooks will gobble up about $35-40 of that. They have a 2 maybe 3 year stretch before it blows up on them IMO

Yep. It also appears they are trying to be flashy for L.A. for PSL's, and as a general overall fan building strategy. It'll be interesting to see how they treat future offseasons. They can't do this every year. But the L.A. approach is to make big splashes and try to buy your championships.

The cap is only guaranteed to go up through 2020. After that we don't know what's going to happen, but odds are flat to down. Even this CBA, where the cap exploded overall, the cap was basically the same (and even a little down) for about 3 years, besides the uncapped year. 2011 was lower then 2009. 2012 was roughly the same as 2009. A similar event could occur. Imagine what happens then if you got a bunch of guys coming due in 2019-2020-2021 and need to sign them to big contracts. A potential nightmare for the Rams.

Good GM's are going to try to avoid big spending increases on their teams for 2020-2022 or so until they figure out what exactly is going to happen. No trend lasts forever. There's no law saying salary caps must go up by 10 million a year when new CBA's are signed, or even up at all. The current trend is only applicable for THIS CBA.

No 1st or 2nd round pick this year, no 2nd next year. Potentially lower picks in each round while the 'Ram it' band is together, gives less opportunity to replenish old talent. What you see is mostly what you get. Bargain free agents band-aids like what we did could help.

There's going to be some serious turnover in that roster starting next year. Overall from my count there's 11 projected 2017 starters who are either going to be free agents, restricted free agent, or on their 5th year option next year.

Those 11 are; Marcus Peters CB, Brandin Cooks WR, Todd Gurley RB, Rodger Saffold G, Jamon Brown RT, Rob Havenstein G, Suh DT, Donald DT, Longacre DE/OLB, Bryce Hager ILB, LaMarcus Joyner.

For 2020, assuming all the guys above have been re-signed, there are four more (Brockers, Talib, Higbee, Whitworth) not counting Zuerlein the kicker. Talib and Whitworth likely will be replaced at that point.

It currently looks like they'll have a lot of space in 2019 because most of their starters are either still on rookie contracts or will be free agents. That will change or those players will be gone and replace with inferior guys. We're also talking about some of the most highest profile and/or crucial positions in football. LT, CB, WR, 2 DT. They won't be cheap. They might also want to lock in Goff early which might throw a wrench into things for 2019 or 2020. Goff could be 30/yr.
 

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