Massie suspended 3 games

[Solar7]

Sure, there's a difference, but he did more than enough to be charged. How he does in court and/or sentencing may be impacted by his story/his intent.

You are still stupid to be drunk and in "actual physical control" of any vehicle - which means you either have the keys or the keys are within your reach...or even in a location you are fully aware of.

So avoidable. Especially for a millionaire NFL player. No pity from me.

He should have given his keys to the person that dropped him off, or someone else, if that is how it went down. Possession of the keys means that he was in control of the vehicle and could have driven again in his condition. If he did not have any keys - making the vehicle inoperable - no arrest.

It's an awfully big stretch to expect to hand your car keys - the entry to most people's priciest or second priciest possession, to someone to hold on to them if you're in the range of a DUI, which can be very low. Even when I Uber or cab it home, I keep my keys, since you can't trust others. I've quietly been a part of this board for a long time, and didn't get the impression you weren't a drinker, but if you are - do you hand someone your keys every time you have 2-3 beers? That's admirable, if you do, and I love it, but handing someone your keys when you have NFL money probably isn't doable.

That's a separate argument from Massie showing up at Cards HQ of course, and there are a lot of details to be hashed out that I would hold against this guy easily, but still. If he got a ride everywhere and then slept in his car? He's in my good graces.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

It's an awfully big stretch to expect to hand your car keys - the entry to most people's priciest or second priciest possession, to someone to hold on to them if you're in the range of a DUI, which can be very low. Even when I Uber or cab it home, I keep my keys, since you can't trust others. I've quietly been a part of this board for a long time, and didn't get the impression you weren't a drinker, but if you are - do you hand someone your keys every time you have 2-3 beers? That's admirable, if you do, and I love it, but handing someone your keys when you have NFL money probably isn't doable.

That's a separate argument from Massie showing up at Cards HQ of course, and there are a lot of details to be hashed out that I would hold against this guy easily, but still. If he got a ride everywhere and then slept in his car? He's in my good graces.

I've never had a drink in my life and never intend to change that. Just not for me. I've lost friends to drunk drivers, been hit head-on by one myself (on a Sunday afternoon), and am the son of a recovered alcoholic (nearly 22 years sober).

I was assuming Massie got a ride there from a friend/teammate. Someone he could trust with his keys and then call in the morning once he sobered up.

The guy is in the last year of a 4-year $2.5 plus million contract. No reason at all for him to be "sleeping it off" in his vehicle parked at the Cards' HQ. I am sure it is a high priority spot when the police make their patrols of that area. I bet they sweep the lot looking for parked cars,. loiterers, etc. Anything out of place. Had he been in a Walmart parking lot - he probably doesn't get in trouble. Walmart encourages people to sleep in their parking lots.

 

[Cheesebeef]

in the hypothetical posited by many... why wouldn't the friend just drive him home? I mean, if he was too drunk too drive (which you have to be to crash in your car... speaking from experience), what kind of friend dumps you at your car, instead of calling you a cab?

 

[CFLredzoned]

This reminds me. Didn't Okafor get a DUI in Texas? I can't imagine that one sliding by without a suspension.

 

[Solar7]

I've never had a drink in my life and never intend to change that. Just not for me. I've lost friends to drunk drivers, been hit head-on by one myself (on a Sunday afternoon), and am the son of a recovered alcoholic (nearly 22 years sober).

I was assuming Massie got a ride there from a friend/teammate. Someone he could trust with his keys and then call in the morning once he sobered up.

The guy is in the last year of a 4-year $2.5 plus million contract. No reason at all for him to be "sleeping it off" in his vehicle parked at the Cards' HQ. I am sure it is a high priority spot when the police make their patrols of that area. I bet they sweep the lot looking for parked cars,. loiterers, etc. Anything out of place. Had he been in a Walmart parking lot - he probably doesn't get in trouble. Walmart encourages people to sleep in their parking lots.

All good, I commend you for your choice. I hope you didn't think anything otherwise.

My argument originally was assuming he wasn't with a trustworthy "friend," but Massie's situation that puts him in front of Cardinals HQ is much different. Had he left a club in Scottsdale and decided to sleep it off in a parking lot, I'd be fine with it, and say that the intent of the law is being missed there, and I would feel bad for him.

At this point, even giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he got a ride, passing out in your employer's parking lot is never okay.

 

[SweetD]

Not sure if this is the same or not, but I almost got a DUI also. When I was waiting for my ride to pick me up after drinking to much. I had my car on because it was cold out and needed the heater on. Luckily the attendant ran over and told me to grow the keys in the passenger side, as the cops came over. Never left the parking lot or even had any intentions, but the law way is the law.

If this is the case, that sucks, if not then that sucks also.

 

[Shane]

Not sure if this is the same or not, but I almost got a DUI also. When I was waiting for my ride to pick me up after drinking to much. I had my car on because it was cold out and needed the heater on. Luckily the attendant ran over and told me to grow the keys in the passenger side, as the cops came over. Never left the parking lot or even had any intentions, but the law way is the law.

If this is the case, that sucks, if not then that sucks also.

And BIM would have had zero sympathy for you and told you what a moron you were…

 

[speedy]

And BIM would have had zero sympathy for you and told you what a moron you were…

you're a badass Shane. Someday, we will meet, and I will be happy to shake your hand.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

To me, I'm more concerned that Humphries is needing so much motivation, as a rookie no less.

If the reports are correct, Massie sounds like he tried to the right thing but is getting hit on a technicality of the law. He was probably done as a Cardinal after this year anyway. Of course, that's assuming Humphries pans out.

 

[SweetD]

And BIM would have had zero sympathy for you and told you what a moron you were…

Ya I know. Everyone is entitled to THERE own opinion.

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[WisconsinCard]

It should make one think twice whenever they are camping in a RV or camper parked safely at a campsite with keys in toll. Law enforcement has a lot of discretion, maybe too much discretion, in how they enforce the DUI law.

Or tailgating....oh at say a game.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

And BIM would have had zero sympathy for you and told you what a moron you were…

I probably would. He admitted to drinking TOO MUCH.

Good thing the attendant knew the law and was able to save him from a possible arrest.

Shane - do you not enforce the laws of your own state?

Nevada DUI law draws no distinction between inebriated driving and sleeping in a car while inebriated. The punishments for a sleeping DUI are the same as for driving drunk in Nevada.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Ya I know. Everyone is entitled to THERE own opinion.

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[BigRedRage]

I probably would. He admitted to drinking TOO MUCH.

Good thing the attendant knew the law and was able to save him from a possible arrest.

Shane - do you not enforce the laws of your own state?

Nevada DUI law draws no distinction between inebriated driving and sleeping in a car while inebriated. The punishments for a sleeping DUI are the same as for driving drunk in Nevada.

personally, if I were a cop, you were sleeping in your back seat outside of a bar obviously avoiding driving and doing the right thing, I wouldnt give a DUI. You would?

 

[kerouac9]

To me, I'm more concerned that Humphries is needing so much motivation, as a rookie no less.

If the reports are correct, Massie sounds like he tried to the right thing but is getting hit on a technicality of the law. He was probably done as a Cardinal after this year anyway. Of course, that's assuming Humphries pans out.

Yup. The lede kinda got buried here. Not great for Massie, who may have to find himself on a one-year prove-it deal with someone if he doesn't come in and dominate for 12 games.

 

[frankeegee1]

BRR, it wouldn't take but a second for the sleeping driver to wake up and start driving. Then you risk an accident.

Just because he is sleeping doesn't mean he will continue to keep sleeping until he is not under the influence.

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[BigRedRage]

BRR, it wouldn't take but a second for the sleeping driver to wake up and start driving. Then you risk an accident.

Just because he is sleeping doesn't mean he will continue to keep sleeping until he is not under the influence.

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I agree but I still wouldnt give the guy a DUI in that scenario

Under that pretense, we might as well just give everyone in bars duis even though they aren't near their car as when they leave, they might get in it.

 

[PDXChris]

personally, if I were a cop, you were sleeping in your back seat outside of a bar obviously avoiding driving and doing the right thing, I wouldnt give a DUI. You would?

BRR, it wouldn't take but a second for the sleeping driver to wake up and start driving. Then you risk an accident.

Just because he is sleeping doesn't mean he will continue to keep sleeping until he is not under the influence.

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Sounds like the premise of the Minority Report.

 

[SweetD]

I probably would. He admitted to drinking TOO MUCH.

Good thing the attendant knew the law and was able to save him from a possible arrest.

Shane - do you not enforce the laws of your own state?

Nevada DUI law draws no distinction between inebriated driving and sleeping in a car while inebriated. The punishments for a sleeping DUI are the same as for driving drunk in Nevada.

Shane be like... I think Shane was more referencing your judgmental opinions.

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[MadCardDisease]

To me, I'm more concerned that Humphries is needing so much motivation, as a rookie no less.

Yeah that was my biggest concern when we drafted Humphries. He came out early and is very young and immature.

Where are the veterans on the OL? Shouldn't they be setting this kid straight? It has me concerned that there may be a lack of leadership on the OL. Where is the accountability???

 

[Brian in Mesa]

personally, if I were a cop, you were sleeping in your back seat outside of a bar obviously avoiding driving and doing the right thing, I wouldnt give a DUI. You would?

It would depend on whether you (as an officer) are legally obligated to act when you see laws being broken or if you have the personal discretion to not enforce laws you disagree with, I guess.

Can a police office not bust someone for drug possession because they personally disagree with our drug laws? Can you see laws being broken and justifiably walk away?

Maybe Shane can answer that.

 

[cardncubfan]

Shane be like... I think Shane was more referencing your judgmental opinions.

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This.

 

[BigRedRage]

It would depend on whether you (as an officer) are legally obligated to act when you see laws being broken or if you have the personal discretion to not enforce laws you disagree with, I guess.

Can a police office not bust someone for drug possession because they personally disagree with our drug laws? Can you see laws being broken and justifiably walk away?

Maybe Shane can answer that.

Its not a matter of disagreeing with the law, it is a matter of using common sense and your own personal judgement on if you should actually arrest someone or if they are making a mistake and just need a kick in the butt.

I've had cops let me off for things. You've surely heard of people getting pulled over for speeding and just getting a warning vs getting a ticket.

If you are committing a felony, especially with intent, that is different.

Arresting and giving a DUI to ANYONE no matter the situation even if they are sleeping in their back seat is a bit over zealous to me. That is not the job of a police officer to strictly enforce every law on the books no matter what.

 

[Zeno]

I believe in DUI there circumstances vary (AZ has among the strictest DUI penalties in the country)--if a police officer were to say the guy is just sleep in the back seat I will let him sleep it off then the drunk woke up still drunk drove his car and then hit someone the department and officer could be legally liable for any injuries or worse.

Letting someone off for a warning for a speeding ticket is not even in the same stratosphere as far as comparisons go.

 

[BigRedRage]

I believe in DUI there circumstances vary (AZ has among the strictest DUI penalties in the country)--if a police officer were to say the guy is just sleep in the back seat I will let him sleep it off then the drunk woke up still drunk drove his car and then hit someone the department and officer could be legally liable for any injuries or worse.

Letting someone off for a warning for a speeding ticket is not even in the same stratosphere as far as comparisons go.

Ok.

I've been let off by a cop who said "I could give you a DUI right now but I can tell you are not drunk. You live one mile away, go home"

How is that for a comparison?

Ive had roommates call me at 3am and say hey if you dont come pick me up right now I am going to jail for DUI. I drove to jack in the box, talked to the cops, they let him go and made him leave his car there. He was HAMMERED and fell asleep ordering food in the drive thru.

Need more comparisons?