Whiz wins opener.......many more to come!

[Stout]

At this point, 2 seasons later, the amount of negative energy still pointed in his direction is quite unfortunate. He did some really good things for this franchise, even though the end was less than stellar.

If you still hold a grudge against Whisenhunt, you have issues--get over it.

I think the impetus is less a grudge against KW than it is that so many people steadfastly refused to accept that KW had any flaws and defended him unto his firing and far, far beyond. That's why I still chime in about it.

 

[Phrazbit]

Sure Haley should get credit, but not for what you have implird. Haley gets credit for runnung interferevpnce for and taking Warner's side in putting together the offense Warner wanted and not what Whisenhunt put together.

IF you can remember, during the Cards offense during Whisenhunt's first training camp and pre-season where he had the QB competition between Warner and Leinart was a 50/50 run/pass standard Steeler type offense that Warner handled and Leinart struggled with. After Leinart melted down in his last pre-season start against the Raiders, Whisenhunt had to declare Warner the starter by default.

After Warner was declared the starter, Warner got Haley to agree to begin changing the offense to suit his talents and particular skills. As the story goes, Whisenhunt did not like that at all, but Haley took Warner's side and got Whisenhunt to agree to try it on in interim basis to see if Warner's offense was better than Whisenhunt's designed offense. There were even several news stories of these big changes along with Haley gushing on how Warner would come in every week with new plays designed to attack this week's opponent' defense. The stories left out any mention of Whisenhunt being in the loop in formulating each week's offensive game plan. These stories are still out there on the Internet and all tell how Haley went to bat for Warner against Whisenhunt's resistence to change the Cards' offense to suit Warner. That is why Haley gets credit for making it possible for Warner to play at the top levels of the NFL again. Check it out, those reports are still out there. Just as Whisenhunt had no success after Warner left, Haley had no success as a head coach for many reasons including he did not have a former NFL MVP to take control of KC offense and attack opponents' defenses.

Joe Montana found greatness in Bill Walsh's West Coast offense, but Montana would never have done well in the Raiders's big pass offense, so that is why is was crucial for Warner to have an offensive system like the one he formulated in St Louis and the one he made here with the help of Todd Haley who ran interference for him with Whisenhunt and Graves.

BTW, I wonder if Warner's arm would have been big enough for BA since BA's offense is built around the big passing play attack.

Warner had a much stronger arm than Palmer. Whiz had great season in San Diego last year, good enough that it made him one of the top head coaching candidates last summer, and the rest of what you posted is not backed by anything but your opinion, some of it is absolultely false. Sych as Whiz having no success post Haley.

The 2009 Arizona Cardinals might not have made the Super Bowl but they were a better team than the 2008 squad... and Haley was gone! I swear... the people that love Haley/hate Whiz team to conveniently forget the entire 2009 season, or just pretend he was still there.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

If you still hold a grudge against Whisenhunt, you have issues--get over it.

I gots the issues, and can't get over it, so oh well, guess you will have to deal with it.

Funny, do not you include the people whom are not being negative about this. Its only issues if you have negatives to say about the guy, yet there are no problems with the original post stating, two years later, we will regret letting go of Whiz, and all look the fools and right soon ?

Just sayin'

Light a match next to gasoline and then complain there is a fire is kinda silly too!

Oh, and Whiz sure is showing us all what real coaching is all about. I am waiting for one of his signature 6 game losing streaks soon.

The system works.

 

[D-Dogg]

I think the impetus is less a grudge against KW than it is that so many people steadfastly refused to accept that KW had any flaws and defended him unto his firing and far, far beyond. That's why I still chime in about it.

This. So much this.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

This thread is nothing more than confirmation on a weekly basis, that Whiz is... who most of us thought he was.

The system does NOT work unless he has an ALL-Pro under center, and his track record for identifying said QB says it all.

 

[sunsfan88]

Whiz doing more hair styling/grooming than coaching these days...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...s-encouraged-zach-mettenbergers-haircut-shave

Appreantly Whitehurst gets a pass?

 

[Darkside]

Cracks me up we're still talking about Whiz after being 6-1 with BA. Hahaha. There's no BA thread. Funny.

 

[Bert]

Cracks me up we're still talking about Whiz after being 6-1 with BA. Hahaha. There's no BA thread. Funny.

Preach!

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Cracks me up we're still talking about Whiz after being 6-1 with BA. Hahaha. There's no BA thread. Funny.

There are several?

The last one is a recent post by yours truly!

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/arians-amp-bowles-is-some-bad-mofos-212235.html

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/arians-what-a-guy-212679.html?highlight=Arians

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/i-love-bruce-arians-213867.html?highlight=Arians

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb...i-like-him-a-lot-212503.html?highlight=Arians

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Cracks me up we're still talking about Whiz after being 6-1 with BA. Hahaha. There's no BA thread. Funny.

Let the haters hate.

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[Redneck Voodoo]

Let the haters hate.

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Yeah, thanks for that link. I just wasted thirty minutes on there.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Let the haters hate.

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It's not hatred, it's validation to the people who saw through Whiz and his BS... And the people clinging to Whiz's jock while "the system" was continuing it's downward spiral don't like it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It's not hatred, it's validation to the people who saw through Whiz and his BS... And the people clinging to Whiz's jock while "the system" was continuing it's downward spiral don't like it.

I think it's more likely called cherry-picking. Were you "validated" in 2007-2009 and 2011, while never finishing lower than 2nd in the division and two division titles, or only 2010 and 2012? Because those are the only 2 years he had a losing record in Arizona.

Or maybe it's the .667 winning % in the playoffs.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The success of any Head Coach is largely determined by his players, his coaching staff and his front office. I don't understand why some people are holding Whiz to a standard that no other coach would be held to. He did good things for us but he was far from perfect. We were better because he came here and we are better now without him.

Steve

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Or maybe it's the .667 winning % in the playoffs.

LMAO.. are you really going there?

My gawd you're right!... He's just a hair below Belichick!!! (.679)
And dead even with the great Chuck Knoll!

ALSO...

Tied with the great Rex Ryan!

I can't wait to see who wins another playoff game next!

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[Cbus cardsfan]

LMAO.. are you really going there?

My gawd you're right!... He's just a hair below Belichick!!! (.679)
And dead even with the great Chuck Knoll!

ALSO...

Tied with the great Rex Ryan!

I can't wait to see who wins another playoff game next!

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Still would like to see you backup your 'validation' without cherry picking 2 years. But nice way to avoid what you had said.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I think it's more likely called cherry-picking. Were you "validated" in 2007-2009 and 2011, while never finishing lower than 2nd in the division and two division titles, or only 2010 and 2012? Because those are the only 2 years he had a losing record in Arizona.

Or maybe it's the .667 winning % in the playoffs.

I looked from the beginning until the end.

Warner got the team to the Superbowl and the playoffs, and Whiz.....well, he made sure we went through all the QB's in the league before the next coach came in so we knew which ones not to bring in.

At least that is my take.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I looked from the beginning until the end.

Warner got the team to the Superbowl and the playoffs, and Whiz.....well, he made sure we went through all the QB's in the league before the next coach came in so we knew which ones not to bring in.

At least that is my take.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I looked from the beginning until the end.

Warner got the team to the Superbowl and the playoffs, and Whiz.....well, he made sure we went through all the QB's in the league before the next coach came in so we knew which ones not to bring in.

At least that is my take.

nicely done .

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Still would like to see you backup your 'validation' without cherry picking 2 years. But nice way to avoid what you had said.

What is I need to "back up"?

It's simple, before Warner's resurgence.. Whiz was a bumbling incompetent HC, When Warner left We saw the real coach KW, the same one we'll see from here on out until he loses his second and last HC position.

It's MY opinion (and several others here) that Warner had success in Az IN SPITE of coach KW, you're obviously in the camp that thinks it was BECAUSE of Whiz.

Hopefully you don't take my Whiz bantering personal...Between Pendy and Grimm AND his ridiculous handling of QB's... I just really DISLIKE the guy as a HC and I will never give him the credit that some of you think he deserves.

Plain and simple.. If Warner wasn't a "Born again QB", we would have been no better than the slop we see in Tennessee.


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[MadCardDisease]

What is I need to "back up"?

It's simple, before Warner's resurgence.. Whiz was a bumbling incompetent HC, When Warner left We saw the real coach KW, the same one we'll see from here on out until he loses his second and last HC position.

Whiz first job as a head coach was with the Cardinals. How could he be a bumbling incompetent HC before being a HC???

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Whiz first job as a head coach was with the Cardinals. How could he be a bumbling incompetent HC before being a HC???

Before the second coming of Warner genius!

 

[football karma]

Whis: a fine head coach.

His problems started when he became the de-facto GM as well. His loyalty to his poorly performing coordinators ( lookin at you Mike Miller) didnt help either.

not the first good coach to be brought down by GM duties

 

[Cardiac]

Name a team or HC that can win in today's NFL without a legit QB.

BA is on his way to being the best HC this team has ever had. Whiz holds the #1 spot because he was the HC when we won two Division titles and an NFC Championship game.
Coryell would be #1 but he couldn't win in the playoffs.

I won't argue long or hard in defending Whiz's ability to acquire QB talent but I will say that he named Warner the starter over Leinart which was obviously the right choice. Warner was dumped by the Rams and then the Giants and couldn't win games in Arizona until Whiz was hired and he then hire Haley as his OC.

Why I agreed that Whiz had to go was because of the inability to find or develop a legit QB and his refusal to get rid of Grimm. I'll add not drafting any Oline talent. How much of that is on Whiz and how much is on Graves is up for debate.

In the NFL every HC gets hired to be eventually fired, there are very few exceptions. Whiz had his time here but a change was needed, sad for me because of everything he helped this team accomplish. Hating on him, I just don't get it.

 

[Cardiac]

Whis: a fine head coach.

His problems started when he became the de-facto GM as well. His loyalty to his poorly performing coordinators ( lookin at you Mike Miller) didnt help either.

not the first good coach to be brought down by GM duties

I agree with most of this but do we really know he was a de-facto GM? He had final say on who was on the 53 man roster but does that mean he could draft or sign any FA that he wanted? I don't think that was the case but he could cut a Leinart when they went all whiney and showed they had not guts or a weak work effort.