OL Stats

[Goodyear Card]

Offensive Lines – Pass Blocking Efficiency

Ariz - #29

Levi - #30 (LTs)

Keith - #27 (RTs)

Colledge - #51 (guards)

Sendlein - #30 (centers)

Could we give Kolb a break? In the Giants game he was sacked 4 times and hit 11 times. I don't think any QB would be successful with this OL.


http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/09/30/signature-stats-snapshot-pass-blocking-efficiency/

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Typical Russ Grimm O-Line, should be no surprise whatsoever

 

[Sunburn]

Now this thread is meaningful. Wow, we have a bad O line. If this doesn't paint a clear picture I don't know what will

 

[D-Dogg]

Russ Grimm Theme Song

NSFW - Explicit Lyrics.

 

[Cardiac]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

These guys confirm that our pass blocking sucks but this O-line is outstanding at run blocking.

The pass blocking stats will improve as KK gets better with his knowledge of the Offense and pocket awareness.

We need to upgrade the LT position and pick our RT from Levi, Keith and Bridges.

 

[imaCafan]

For 2010 Lyle Sendlein was rated #3 in the top 10 pass blocking centers....and Bridges was #8 pass blocking RT....so we had a top 10 center and a top 10 RT last year....

 

[Stout]

The problem with Kolb right now is that, when we do have a good pocket, he ruins it. Good QBs do their best when under pressure, and when they have a pocket, they calmly step up, make their reads, and do their jobs. They do NOT panic and run OUT of the pocket when it's there. Our O-line sucks at pass pro, no doubt, but Kolb compounds the problem with his happy feet.

 

[Mulli]

The problem with Kolb right now is that, when we do have a good pocket, he ruins it. Good QBs do their best when under pressure, and when they have a pocket, they calmly step up, make their reads, and do their jobs. They do NOT panic and run OUT of the pocket when it's there. Our O-line sucks at pass pro, no doubt, but Kolb compounds the problem with his happy feet.

Agree.

 

[Russ Smith]

The problem with Kolb right now is that, when we do have a good pocket, he ruins it. Good QBs do their best when under pressure, and when they have a pocket, they calmly step up, make their reads, and do their jobs. They do NOT panic and run OUT of the pocket when it's there. Our O-line sucks at pass pro, no doubt, but Kolb compounds the problem with his happy feet.

Agree with the 2nd part, not the first. There isn't a QB in the NFL who is better when under pressure. There are QB's who kill blitzes yes, Warner did that over and over. But every meltdown game Kurt had in the NFL was due to pass rush, getting hit a few times and then struggling after.

Tom Brady is cool in the pocket for sure but he's a lot better when he has time to throw than when he doesn't. He's just better under pressure than most guys, it's part of what makes him special.

Kolb has a long ways to go dealing with a pass rush but it sure would help if our guys could give him a little time so he starts to develop a trust in them.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The problem with Kolb right now is that, when we do have a good pocket, he ruins it. Good QBs do their best when under pressure, and when they have a pocket, they calmly step up, make their reads, and do their jobs. They do NOT panic and run OUT of the pocket when it's there. Our O-line sucks at pass pro, no doubt, but Kolb compounds the problem with his happy feet.

yup. it's a bad combination right now.

 

[conraddobler]

I don't think he's as panicky as some people think he is, I think he was coached to be that way.

Martz was famous for coaching QB's to do unconventional things like carry the ball like a loaf of bread so they could throw it if given a split second rather than the traditional move to protect the ball if you had a lot of congestion around you.

Warner always did this but got better at it with gloves and the longer he was in another system, towards the end he was simply terrible about fumbling the ball not all universe at it.

Reid apparently had something similar to this that is causing Kolb to roll out on a whiff of pressure.

I really think he is just reverting to how he WAS coached and that it'll take time to both begin to trust his new line, "when they earn it" and change his habits to what we want not what Reid wanted.

You do what you are taught under pressure, it dosen't go away even though we don't do things like Philly does, so if he was doing those things and playing for Philly chances are his WR's and RB's and line all knew he was going to do that, all adjusted and in that system it would be the right move, now he gets some pressure does what he was told to do, only now none of his teamates are on the same page, they're all doing what WE told them to do, this is a HUGE difference and it will take time to fix.

I would expect that after next offseason he'll be largely on the same page as our team this year is just going to suck while he adjusts, the main thing is if he ever does, I don't know if he will, no one knows I think they're just assuming he will, which is probably a reasonable assumption but it's not 100% nothing ever is.

JMO.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't think he's as panicky as some people think he is, I think he was coached to be that way.

Martz was famous for coaching QB's to do unconventional things like carry the ball like a loaf of bread so they could throw it if given a split second rather than the traditional move to protect the ball if you had a lot of congestion around you.

Warner always did this but got better at it with gloves and the longer he was in another system, towards the end he was simply terrible about fumbling the ball not all universe at it.

Reid apparently had something similar to this that is causing Kolb to roll out on a whiff of pressure.

I really think he is just reverting to how he WAS coached and that it'll take time to both begin to trust his new line, "when they earn it" and change his habits to what we want not what Reid wanted.

JMO.

Maybe true but a lot of that is personnel specific. When you have DeSean jackson, Maclin and McCoy it makes sense to tell your QB if you feel pressure get out of there and try to make a play. You have guys who are so fast they're murder in a broken play scenario. The Eagles offense the last 2-3 years has been all about big plays and many of them come on broken plays where their speed just wins out.

But we don't have that kind of speed, not even close. Philly probably has 4-5 guys on their offense faster than our fastest offensive player, the only guy we have with anything like that speed is Peterson and he's a CB.

So yeah Kolb is going to have to unlearn that and learn to stay in the pocket. but part of learning is there has to actually be a pocket consistently enough for him to trust in that, right now that's simply not been the case and it's contributing to him being so skittish.

 

[conraddobler]

Maybe true but a lot of that is personnel specific. When you have DeSean jackson, Maclin and McCoy it makes sense to tell your QB if you feel pressure get out of there and try to make a play. You have guys who are so fast they're murder in a broken play scenario. The Eagles offense the last 2-3 years has been all about big plays and many of them come on broken plays where their speed just wins out.

But we don't have that kind of speed, not even close. Philly probably has 4-5 guys on their offense faster than our fastest offensive player, the only guy we have with anything like that speed is Peterson and he's a CB.

So yeah Kolb is going to have to unlearn that and learn to stay in the pocket. but part of learning is there has to actually be a pocket consistently enough for him to trust in that, right now that's simply not been the case and it's contributing to him being so skittish.

Oh I totally agree it's a combination of bad things that are all contributing to this.

A good FO and coaching staff would of seen this comming and either not taken him or been much more proactive on knowing it would be an issue and doing everything in their power to fix it as soon as possible.

Our entire organization seems to have been taken off guard that this could be an issue.

Then again our Oline play being terrible continually seems to surprise them too, every year.

It's things exactly like this that I feel highlight perfectly how incompetent our entire organization can be.

Competent teams have many of the same problems that any other teams have they just anticipate the problems and make adjustments accordingly much faster or go another route entirely when they factor things like this in.

 

[BigRedRage]

what are our rating in run blocking?

 

[JeffGollin]

I do the same exercise for the BRS using PFF ratings.

Except - they didn't have Week 4 Cardinal stats yet as of this AM.

One thing that would help provide context here - Out of how many OGs, OTs and OCs were those rankings pulled? (i.e. If Levi was ranked 30th of 31 OTs, he'd suck far more than if he ranked, say, 31 out of 87 OTs).

 

[Stout]

Agree with the 2nd part, not the first. There isn't a QB in the NFL who is better when under pressure. There are QB's who kill blitzes yes, Warner did that over and over. But every meltdown game Kurt had in the NFL was due to pass rush, getting hit a few times and then struggling after.

Tom Brady is cool in the pocket for sure but he's a lot better when he has time to throw than when he doesn't. He's just better under pressure than most guys, it's part of what makes him special.

Kolb has a long ways to go dealing with a pass rush but it sure would help if our guys could give him a little time so he starts to develop a trust in them.

You misunderstood the first part, Russ. I meant that they do their best, as in the best that they can, not that they perform the best under pressure. Big difference in meaning

 

[conraddobler]

I do the same exercise for the BRS using PFF ratings.

Except - they didn't have Week 4 Cardinal stats yet as of this AM.

One thing that would help provide context here - Out of how many OGs, OTs and OCs were those rankings pulled? (i.e. If Levi was ranked 30th of 31 OTs, he'd suck far more than if he ranked, say, 31 out of 87 OTs).

I'm fairly sure that when the designation is RT or LT that there are only 32 starters to compare to.

I don't think they do this with guards, which is why you can have worse than a 32 on that one.

Centers are self explanatory.