Wonderlic scores released....Patrick Peterson has a new nickname

[chickenhead]

I won't wade too far into this, but I do suspect that the score on the Wonderlic is also affected by how important the test-taker thinks it is--or even, how important they fear it could be. Maybe Gabbert is super smart and a great test-taker. But given his position and where he's been on various analysts' boards throughout the offseason, I imagine that he [even more so his agent] probably feared that a poor Wonderlic score could potentially cost him more in terms of draft order than Peterson did.

Some agents might tell their clients not to worry about the Wonderlic at all and concentrate on the interviews. Others might say forget about all of it--just blow up the combine.

 

[carrrnuttt]

I believe it's the group that is saying, "Hey, look at how dumb all these n*****s are! They can't get a good score on this test!" that is the most racist.

LOL

Calling a group of people dumb simply because they're part of a certain group is stereotyping (which I don't agree with).

Saying that a certain test is not good for said group [compared to other groups] because somehow, they're not "wired like white people" (YOUR implication) is racist.

Care to up your ignorance factor with your next response?

 

[Mulli]

I won't wade too far into this, but I do suspect that the score on the Wonderlic is also affected by how important the test-taker thinks it is--or even, how important they fear it could be. Maybe Gabbert is super smart and a great test-taker. But given his position and where he's been on various analysts' boards throughout the offseason, I imagine that he [even more so his agent] probably feared that a poor Wonderlic score could potentially cost him more in terms of draft order than Peterson did.

Some agents might tell their clients not to worry about the Wonderlic at all and concentrate on the interviews. Others might say forget about all of it--just blow up the combine.

I agree with this somewhat.

 

[Shane]

I agree with this somewhat.

No way. Scoring well on this can only HELP you. It certainly doesn't hurt. Any and all kids taking it should be trying their damndest to get their best score. if they aren't that as much as the test score itself proves ignorance.

 

[Mulli]

No way. Scoring well on this can only HELP you. It certainly doesn't hurt. Any and all kids taking it should be trying their damndest to get their best score. if they aren't that as much as the test score itself proves ignorance.

If it doesn't hurt, why bother...

 

[kerouac9]

LOL

Calling a group of people dumb simply because they're part of a certain group is stereotyping (which I don't agree with).

Saying that a certain test is not good for said group [compared to other groups] because somehow, they're not "wired like white people" (YOUR implication) is racist.

Care to up your ignorance factor with your next response?

That's not my implication, and hasn't been throughout this thread:

Because those positions tend to be dominated by white prospects, who have more culturally in common with the makers of the test. I'll go ahead and say it.


In part, I think that excellence in standardized testing in a culturally specific value, yes. Are these kids dumb, or are they not trying hard on a test because they believe that the test itself is dumb?

It's interesting though that I can find the low scores of Patrick Peterson and Darelle Revis at the click of a mouse, and about the high scores of Blaine Gabbert, but I can't find the Wonderlic score of Von Miller. What does that say about the people who decide which results to publish/leak and those who don't?

Of course, you'd actually have to read my posts and think about them to understand that. But thank you for shoving words into my mouth.

 

[carrrnuttt]

If it doesn't hurt, why bother...

Aren't these supposed to be competitive people that don't give up? Apparently, some of them think that endeavors that involve the mind aren't worth trying for (black OR white)? I'd be leery of a person like that.

 

[carrrnuttt]

That's not my implication, and hasn't been throughout this thread:



Of course, you'd actually have to read my posts and think about them to understand that. But thank you for shoving words into my mouth.

So wait. Are you saying that their culture prevents them from learning and/or retaining the BASIC knowledge to even do mediocre [as opposed to miserable] in this test?

Whose ****ing fault is that? The people that made the test, or the culture that allowed their young men to degenerate and barely get points [much less pass] a test my 11-yo would do great in? FYI - I am not white.

 

[BigRedRage]

everyone in american gets the same education, most athletes are just dumb.

if race matters, why did whitey jake locker score bad?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

everyone in american gets the same education

Wow...sometimes I wonder where you come up with this stuff.

 

[BigRedRage]

Wow...sometimes I wonder where you come up with this stuff.

sure some schools have lower budgets and less matrerials and etc but we are all tought what texas is taught as they set the precedent for the whole country. Lets not start blaming tax money for petersons mental faults. He was taught the same things as me, hes just stupid.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

sure some schools have lower budgets and less matrerials and etc but we are all tought what texas is taught as they set the precedent for the whole country. Lets not start blaming tax money for petersons mental faults. He was taught the same things as me, hes just stupid.

Your claim was that everyone in America gets the same education. By any standard, it's a patently false statement and shows a fundamental lack of understanding regarding one of the biggest problems our country faces. Do you honestly believe a child in a south central LA school is getting the same education as a rigid boarding school? Your claim essentially indicates as much.

 

[devilalum]

Call me double O nine.

 

[chickenhead]

No way. Scoring well on this can only HELP you. It certainly doesn't hurt. Any and all kids taking it should be trying their damndest to get their best score. if they aren't that as much as the test score itself proves ignorance.

I definitely agree that it can only help to score well. But the same is true of the physical tests at the combine, and occasionally players show up out of shape there, too. In either case I suppose it's simply a matter of preparation, and the sense of where you can [potentially] cut corners.

But I haven't been through the process, so again, just speculation.

 

[carrrnuttt]

I definitely agree that it can only help to score well. But the same is true of the physical tests at the combine, and occasionally players show up out of shape there, too. In either case I suppose it's simply a matter of preparation, and the sense of where you can [potentially] cut corners.

These are supposed to be guys that are all about competition and preparedness. As an owner or manager, It'd worry me when these kids are looking to "cut corners" even BEFORE they got their payday. Of course that wouldn't be my only way of picking prospects, but it certainly raises the "risk" side of the "risk vs. known talent" equation.

 

[kerouac9]

These are supposed to be guys that are all about competition and preparedness. As an owner or manager, It'd worry me when these kids are looking to "cut corners" even BEFORE they got their payday. Of course that wouldn't be my only way of picking prospects, but it certainly raises the "risk" side of the "risk vs. known talent" equation.

Why does it have to be "cutting corners"? Combine prep is a zero-sum game. You have so many days to prepare. If you're a cornerback or defensive lineman, are you going to focus your time improving your short-shuttle, 40, three-cone, 225-lbs bench, etc., or are you going to study for a test that you think (1) is stupid and (2) coaches don't care about as much as the other stuff.

 

[desertdawg]

If the new NFL "kick off" rule sticks, will Peterson drop a couple spots? It does hurt part of his appeal IMO.

 

[Shane]

or are you going to study for a test that you think (1) is stupid and (2) coaches don't care about as much as the other stuff.

There should be ZERO studying required to get a decent score on that pretty simple test. If you have legitimately graduated high school and now been going to college for the last 2-4 years and getting passing grades you should be able to put up an acceptable score on this test with no studying at all.

 

[carrrnuttt]

Why does it have to be "cutting corners"? Combine prep is a zero-sum game. You have so many days to prepare. If you're a cornerback or defensive lineman, are you going to focus your time improving your short-shuttle, 40, three-cone, 225-lbs bench, etc., or are you going to study for a test that you think (1) is stupid and (2) coaches don't care about as much as the other stuff.

So which one is supposed to make me feel better? The fact that someone is just "naturally stupid," or they didn't think enough of the test to prepare for it? Because the former assertion is all that I can think of, because looking at the sample questions, the test appears to be simpler than the fake online IQ tests.

Look, if you have a problem with the process of getting into the NFL (through a college program) then argue about that. I might even agree with you at certain levels. But to make excuses for someone that chooses to stay stupid, you're no better than a parent who keeps feeding his/her obese child with whatever the child wants to eat "because they wanted it." But for crying out loud, these guys were in COLLEGE. Do you ACTUALLY give **** about these young men as people or simply as participants in your gladiator arena? Because they won't be in the NFL forever. You talk about "culture." What about fostering a culture where these kids have more options [after the NFL] other than "be an NFL commentator/TV personality" or "die young and broke," which is happening more often than anyone wants to admit?

 

[THESMEL]

IQ isn't everything, look at Whiz and his personell decisions. I think Whiz is way to smart to make such decisions.

Smart people don't follow orders well, just a fact. and they have to rethink things like fundementals constantly.

Instead of following the plan.

 

[BigRedRage]

Your claim was that everyone in America gets the same education. By any standard, it's a patently false statement and shows a fundamental lack of understanding regarding one of the biggest problems our country faces. Do you honestly believe a child in a south central LA school is getting the same education as a rigid boarding school? Your claim essentially indicates as much.

sorry chris, let me be very specific so you can get it. You did go to an Arizona college after all.

Most student in america go to public schools therefore he got the same education as most everyone out there. He either didnt pay attention or he is flat out stupid. Or, he could just not care about the test.

Just because I didnt spell it out specifically doesnt mean you have to get your panties in a wad, if you thought for 5 seconds you would have figured it out.

 

[Shane]

So which one is supposed to make me feel better? The fact that someone is just "naturally stupid," or they didn't think enough of the test to prepare for it? Because the former assertion is all that I can think of, because looking at the sample questions, the test appears to be simpler than the fake online IQ tests.

Look, if you have a problem with the process of getting into the NFL (through a college program) then argue about that. I might even agree with you at certain levels. But to make excuses for someone that chooses to stay stupid, you're no better than a parent who keeps feeding his/her obese child with whatever the child wants to eat "because they wanted it." But for crying out loud, these guys were in COLLEGE. Do you ACTUALLY give **** about these young men as people or simply as participants in your gladiator arena? Because they won't be in the NFL forever. You talk about "culture." What about fostering a culture where these kids have more options [after the NFL] other than "be an NFL commentator/TV personality" or "die young and broke," which is happening more often than anyone wants to admit?

 

[BigRedRage]

IQ isn't everything, look at Whiz and his personell decisions. I think Whiz is way to smart to make such decisions.

Smart people don't follow orders well, just a fact. and they have to rethink things like fundementals constantly.

Instead of following the plan.

lol

 

[Russ Smith]

Then why, invariably, do QB's have the highest grade, usually followed by "O" lineman; those players who have to learn and remember the big playbook?

Total coincidence, it's meaningless I tell you.

 

[AZCARDSFANATIC]

sure some schools have lower budgets and less matrerials and etc but we are all tought what texas is taught as they set the precedent for the whole country. Lets not start blaming tax money for petersons mental faults. He was taught the same things as me, hes just stupid.

Umm actually that is far from the truth. Educational funding is handled by the state and this determines what is taught based on the text availible and the ability of the teachers. Texas is not the standard for the rest of the United States, they just have the highest amount of printing presses. New Hampshire and Maine are the standard. If your state has less funding then you do not update your textbooks as often...which is what our children are TAUGHT from. Believe it or not there are districts within the same state that do not have the same textbooks, thus the students do not get the same education. Also some schools don't teach from the same text as quickly as others or leave certain subject matter out. We do not all get the same education, otherwise if you moved you would be able to just attend any school and not be behind or ahead. So to assume that all is equal in education is just ignorant.