Effing Fire Whisenhunt!!!

[Brian in Mesa]

At least you out-of-towners are spared the postgame press conference with Coach.

Ugh.

[monotone]"Well, we made a lot of mistakes out there...we really beat ourselves...we know how to prepare ourselves and we'll continue to do that...we're not gonna change anything...we're just gonna keep at it and things will go our way."[/monotone]

 

[CtCardinals78]

At least you out-of-towners are spared the postgame press conference with Coach.

Ugh.

[monotone]"Well, we made a lot of mistakes out there...we really beat ourselves...we know how to prepare ourselves and we'll continue to do that...we're not gonna change anything...we're just gonna keep at it and things will go our way."[/monotone]

Oh no Brian, I caught that all the way over here in CT courtesy of Football Night In America.

 

[TJ]

I agree that it makes no sense to fire CKW but he has been in Arizona 3.5 years and the team is in shambles and with the #1 problem, QB, being the most difficult to fix in the short term what in the heck do we have to hang our Cards caps on?

Nothing. This season is in shambles and we have nothing to hang our hat on (except that Kerry Rhodes and the Hyphen are studs). I think the earlier CKW realizes the season is lost, the better. That way, we can see what we have in some of our young guys. Personally, Id really like to see Skelton take a few snaps. I heard so much about this dude in the offseason and about how high his ceiling is. Im intentionally ignoring the sports science piece as it does not include the psychological component involved in real time.

As Billick said on the broadcast, Whisenhunt is going no where, which means players and assistant coaches are being scrutinized and the non-hackers will be clipped. I have a few people in mind that should go. The obvious is Anderson.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Oh no Brian, I caught that all the way over here in CT courtesy of Football Night In America.

 

[Rats]

Besides, who is your choice for a replacement? Remember, the franchise would eat approx. 18 mil with your decision, which would effect all personnel decisions. And Gruden and Cower are not coming here.

I already conceded the point that it is ridiculas to call for his firing because of the extension so it is a moot point. No replacement will be forthcoming no matter how bad a Headcoach Whis has proven to be because of $$. I do not agree that Haley would not have been interviewed as well and Whis has shown that he is not competent enough as a play caller to make an assertion that he had more to do with bringing Warner back to his winning ways. It was a team effort mainly Warner Fitz, Boldin and Haley that got the offense to the top 5 and some bit of Edge running late in the season that got us to the Super Bowl. Nothing Whis did stood out or was note worthy other than reinserting Edge back after a poor decision there. He did piss off our best player which led to him leaving ....and the rest has been a downward rollercoaster. Whis is just not what you guys say he is IMO and never has been.

 

[Cards_Campos]

At least you out-of-towners are spared the postgame press conference with Coach.

Ugh.

[monotone]"Well, we made a lot of mistakes out there...we really beat ourselves...we know how to prepare ourselves and we'll continue to do that...we're not gonna change anything...we're just gonna keep at it and things will go our way."[/monotone]

No way..He said that... HE ISNT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING..JUST HOPE THINGS GO OUR WAY?? What about the defense getting like 4000 yards passed on them in like 3 games/????

 

[az240zz]

It is how we have looked.....Think about it....Warner barely and I mean barely covered our faults...9-7 and 10-6 when we have had easy schedules and division was horrible. We were blown out by most of the good teams....And SF owned us. Whiz has let this fall apart. And you watch ...Fitz is gone....and then what???? Whiz has let this go so far bad...that we wont get out for a while.

Wouldn't bother me in the least. I would trade him at the end of the year.

 

[Cards_Campos]

CBUS...Did you see that stat!!! The pittsburgh/New England game... NE had 211 yards at halftime...that is 2nd most EVER against Tomlin in 4 years!!!!!!!!!!!! We gave up 243 yards in the 1st qtr today alone..... Tomlin's teams play disciplined controlled football.... When is the last time you saw Pittsburgh get blown away??

 

[Cards_Campos]

Wouldn't bother me in the least. I would trade him at the end of the year.

Wont bother you at all we lose Fitz??? Wow can someone else reply to this....

 

[TJ]

I already conceded the point that it is ridiculas to call for his firing because of the extension so it is a moot point. No replacement will be forthcoming no matter how bad a Headcoach Whis has proven to be because of $$.
I do not agree that Haley would not have been interviewed as well and Whis has shown that he is not competent enough as a play caller to make an assertion that he had more to do with bringing Warner back to his winning ways. It was a team effort mainly Warner Fitz, Boldin and Haley that got the offense to the top 5 and some bit of Edge running late in the season that got us to the Super Bowl. Nothing Whis did stood out or was note worthy other than reinserting Edge back after a poor decision there. He did piss off our best player which led to him leaving ....and the rest has been a downward rollercoaster. Whis is just not what you guys say he is IMO and never has been.

You really are going out of your way to railroad Whisenhunt.

Again, there is no Haley here w/o Whis. Simple. And yes, Whis was the #1 part in the resurrection. He named Warner the starter after a meticulous evaluation of QB play during the 2008 preseason between him and Leinart.

The Edge situation was completely merited. He lost his desire to play for this team. He missed meetings and him and his agent were verbal about his desire to leave. Besides, our running game sucked with or without him. Its not like he was the creme de la creme of our offense.

As for Boldin. His issues were more with Graves and the FO than Whis. Fitz got his massive deal and Boldin wanted his slice of the pie. There wasnt enough to go around so he had to take a back seat. In addition to which, he signed an extension pre Whisenhunt, which turned out to be a bad decision on Boldin's part. It locked him into a bargain contract which favored the Cards and gave the franchise ultimate leverage. Boldin only had himself and his agent to blame for that debacle.

I guess unreasonable Steelers fans said the same thing when Cowher went 6-10 one season. He ended up 15-1 the following season. Not saying this transition is going to happen, just rationalizing the situation. Rapid cycling through coaches as you state is absurd.

 

[WarnerHOF]

Not turning on Whiz yet though it just might happen in the offseason if changes aren't made. Grimm and Davis absolutely have to go.

 

[Bobcat]

good lord... he's having a horrible season and made some really bad decisions, but only the Cardinals would be dumb enough to fire their coach who just brought them their first and only division titles in AZ history after one season. If we look like this next year, absolutely, you can his ass IMMEDIATELY once the season is done, but now? That's beyond ********.

If any one did it was Denny Greens drafting, with a few picks left over by Mac. Also Haley, and Warner. I do not care what some people say but Clancy was and is a better DC than Davis is.

Enough said. Whiz is not a good Head Coach when he cannot realize that his play Calling is taking away from his HC job. I am now questioning Grimm's OL coaching.

 

[Duckjake]

Wont bother you at all we lose Fitz??? Wow can someone else reply to this....

Take it easy. It's the same sort of goofy people who thought we could lose 3 2nd round draft picks, including the best player on our defense, and the toughest player on our offense, and two first round picks in the same off season and be a better team because of it.

 

[TJ]

If any one did it was Denny Greens drafting, with a few picks left over by Mac. Also Haley, and Warner. I do not care what some people say but Clancy was and is a better DC than Davis is.

Enough said. Whiz is not a good Head Coach when he cannot realize that his play Calling is taking away from his HC job. I am now questioning Grimm's OL coaching.

How about execution of plays from players. For example, simple screens to Timmy that are dropped. Not saying the play calling was great, but sometimes, execution makes the call look bad. DA is notorious for this. If there is a 3rd a long situation and he has an open receiver down field yet he chooses his check down option.

 

[Chopper0080]

At least you out-of-towners are spared the postgame press conference with Coach.

Ugh.

[monotone]"Well, we made a lot of mistakes out there...we really beat ourselves...we know how to prepare ourselves and we'll continue to do that...we're not gonna change anything...we're just gonna keep at it and things will go our way."[/monotone]

I don't mind the monotone, but I hate the fact that things won't change. At some point players need to be afraid for their jobs, and the same goes for the coaches.

 

[Rats]

You really are going out of your way to railroad Whisenhunt.
No railroading going on He did this to himself.Again, there is no Haley here w/o Whis. Simple. And yes, Whis was the #1 part in the resurrection. He named Warner the starter after a meticulous evaluation of QB play during the 2008 preseason between him and Leinart.
Yeah like the meticulous way he chose DA over Leinart?? PleaseThe Edge situation was completely merited. He lost his desire to play for this team. He missed meetings and him and his agent were verbal about his desire to leave. Besides, our running game sucked with or without him. Its not like he was the creme de la creme of our offense.
Edge gave up because what was promised was not delivered. Other backs got the playing time and Whis cast him aside. Then he complained.As for Boldin. His issues were more with Graves and the FO than Whis. Fitz got his massive deal and Boldin wanted his slice of the pie. There wasnt enough to go around so he had to take a back seat. In addition to which, he signed an extension pre Whisenhunt, which turned out to be a bad decision on Boldin's part. It locked him into a bargain contract which favored the Cards and gave the franchise ultimate leverage. Boldin only had himself and his agent to blame for that debacle.
Whis never backed Boldin. There was enough to go around but Whis felt he didn't need Boldin.I guess unreasonable Steelers fans said the same thing when Cowher went 6-10 one season. He ended up 15-1 the following season. Not saying this transition is going to happen, just rationalizing the situation. Rapid cycling through coaches as you state is absurd.

Yeah, the same Steelers that didn't pick up there OC as headcoach because they knew he was not a good coach. Your ranting aside Whis is a poor coach and we are in alot of trouble until he is gone. If we win the division next year I will eat crow. Bet you wont when we don't.

 

[conraddobler]

I lol'd at this thread when I first read it.

While I wouldn't fire Whiz yet, he's doing his best to rip away any notiions I had he was the coach I thought he was.

I'm not sure what he is, but he is not that coach now and it's getting worse game by game.

 

[Cards_Campos]

I lol'd at this thread when I first read it.

While I wouldn't fire Whiz yet, he's doing his best to rip away any notiions I had he was the coach I thought he was.

I'm not sure what he is, but he is not that coach now and it's getting worse game by game.

That is the problem... I think he finds new ways every week to out stink his previous week of coaching....And what really sucks...He doesn't take any responsibility for this crap. Someone said his post game speech was " We will not change a thing...things are not going our way." Meaning we are just unlucky... WHAT THE POOP ??

 

[desertdawg]

I lol'd at this thread when I first read it.

While I wouldn't fire Whiz yet, he's doing his best to rip away any notiions I had he was the coach I thought he was.

I'm not sure what he is, but he is not that coach now and it's getting worse game by game.

True dat

 

[conraddobler]

That is the problem... I think he finds new ways every week to out stink his previous week of coaching....And what really sucks...He doesn't take any responsibility for this crap. Someone said his post game speech was " We will not change a thing...things are not going our way." Meaning we are just unlucky... WHAT THE POOP ??

I don't think in Whiz's wildest dreams this stuff would be this bad.

This is long term good for the franchise, it's going to put Whiz in an untenable situation and force him to realize he's got to change to win.

Whiz needs to experience a complete flameout to humilitate him into staring into the mirror.

Graves though just needs to go or at least we need to hire a real GM and let Graves do the contracts.

The real problems on this team come from on high IMO.

A real GM would be forcing Whiz to hire an OC this offseason and right now would be looking for a DC, I'd start calling right now and I'd be planning on a complete rebuild needing to get a franchise QB quick.

 

[TJ]

Yeah, the same Steelers that didn't pick up there OC as headcoach because they knew he was not a good coach. Your ranting aside Whis is a poor coach and we are in alot of trouble until he is gone. If we win the division next year I will eat crow. Bet you wont when we don't.

First, Tomlin was a very sought after coach before he was hired. No one was surprised when he was hired over Whis and Grimm. This is not an indictment on either.

Second, he backed Boldin 100%. It's hard to deal with a WR who wanted to be paid far more than the FO could afford (and really needed to). WR is a position we are fine at barring injury.

Also, Whis has been regarded as a top 10 coach by many national publications. I ask you again, who is better on the open market that would be willing to sign with the Cards after eating a large chunk of money.

I acknowledge you are frustrated, but you need to see the big picture. You're going out of the way to mitigate his accomplishments.

As for eating crow. I am speaking from conventional wisdom so no crow is needed to be consumed and never will be. My opinion might change if after next season we arent back into the playoffs.

Moreover, this is a results oriented league. Whis has proven results. It sounds to me you would rather have Haley as the HC. Well, look at his record. He has the dubious task of rebuilding the Chiefs and has not finished yet. Whis also has a rebuilding season on his hands. Therefore, Haley is not as good of a HC as Whis, by your logic.

 

[D-Dogg]

Sort of like typical big egos spouting off and making ZERO tackles or Touchdowns.

Sorry Homer but this is THE worst team I've seen in Arizona since the bunch that quit on Tobin in 2000.

2002-3 was worse than that team. The season the niners hung half a hundred on us and forgot to cover TO at the goalline. Seriously, they forgot to cover him. A WR. TO. Nobody on him. On the goalline. In a game where they put up 50 points on us. Heart Murmur for the win!

 

[Cheesebeef]

2002-3 was worse than that team. The season the niners hung half a hundred on us and forgot to cover TO at the goalline. Seriously, they forgot to cover him. A WR. TO. Nobody on him. On the goalline. In a game where they put up 50 points on us. Heart Murmur for the win!

seriously... I'm headed to Vegas next weekend and there's no way I'd put 500 bucks down against us. 2003? I did that two weekends in a row... FACING 15 POINT SPREADS.

 

[Rats]

First, Tomlin was a very sought after coach before he was hired. No one was surprised when he was hired over Whis and Grimm. This is not an indictment on either.

Second, he backed Boldin 100%. It's hard to deal with a WR who wanted to be paid far more than the FO could afford (and really needed to). WR is a position we are fine at barring injury.

Also, Whis has been regarded as a top 10 coach by many national publications. I ask you again, who is better on the open market that would be willing to sign with the Cards after eating a large chunk of money.

I acknowledge you are frustrated, but you need to see the big picture. You're going out of the way to mitigate his accomplishments.

As for eating crow. I am speaking from conventional wisdom so no crow is needed to be consumed and never will be. My opinion might change if after next season we arent back into the playoffs.

Moreover, this is a results oriented league. Whis has proven results. It sounds to me you would rather have Haley as the HC. Well, look at his record. He has the dubious task of rebuilding the Chiefs and has not finished yet. Whis also has a rebuilding season on his hands. Therefore, Haley is not as good of a HC as Whis, by your logic.

His accomplishments are as stated. He gets credit for things that he should not. He did not back Boldin 100% or he would be here.Dansby maybe not. We are 35 mil under last years payroll and there was money for Boldin if Whis had faught for him and said we need him here. I think there was a faction Boldin, Matty, Edge, Dansby that were Denny guys and never got with the Whis program. Then you had guys like Warner who really liked Haley and wanted to play, and Fitz who respects the game and even though he liked Denny he wanted to play winning football( big reason I think he will leave after next year,we won't be winning anything anytime soon). With this Whis had to fit it together and managed a 9-7 season and a run to the SB. Without Haley and Pendy this never happens. Whis just did not have the know how(still doesn't)to get that done. He will not be able to rebuild anything here unless he gives up on the notion that he is an offensive coach. He sucks at it and needs a coordinator bad. He should help rebuild a defense with a decent DC. I am afraid the days of this team being dynamic left with Warner, Boldin, and Haley. Talent evaluation left with Dennis Green and we will just wait till Whis leaves. He will.... unceramoniously.

 

[desertdawg]

His accomplishments are as stated. He gets credit for things that he should not. He did not back Boldin 100% or he would be here.Dansby maybe not. We are 35 mil under the cap and there was money for Boldin if Whis had faught for him and said we need him here. I think there was a faction Boldin, Matty, Edge, Dansby that were Denny guys and never got with the Whis program. Then you had guys like Warner who really liked Haley and wanted to play, and Fitz who respects the game and even though he liked Denny he wanted to play winning football( big reason I think he will leave after next year,we won't be winning anything anytime soon). With this Whis had to fit it together and managed a 9-7 season and a run to the SB. Without Haley and Pendy this never happens. Whis just did not have the know how(still doesn't)to get that done. He will not be able to rebuild anything here unless he gives up on the notion that he is an offensive coach. He sucks at it and needs a coordinator bad. He should help rebuild a defense with a decent DC. I am afraid the days of this team being dynamic left with Warner, Boldin, and Haley. Talent evaluation left with Dennis Green and we will just wait till Whis leaves. He will.... unceramoniously.

My biggest problems with Whiz are current ones.